The day that I arrived in Istanbul, they buried the last Ottoman. Her Imperial Highness Fatma Neslisah Sultan had been born in a royal palace overlooking the Bosphorus when her grandfather still notionally reigned over the remnants of a vast, intercontinental realm. The day after I left, gunfire from Syrian president Bashar al-Assad's troops killed several people inside Turkey. Their shots crossed a frontier that did not exist until the demise of the Ottoman empire.
The day that I arrived in Istanbul, they buried the last Ottoman. Her Imperial Highness Fatma Neslisah Sultan had been born in a royal palace overlooking the Bosphorus when her grandfather still notionally reigned over the remnants of a vast, intercontinental realm. The day after I left, gunfire from Syrian president Bashar al-Assad's troops killed several people inside Turkey. Their shots crossed a frontier that did not exist until the demise of the Ottoman empire.
Timothy Garton AshSource:
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On the face of it, these two events seem quite unrelated: the first, a mere historical curiosity, the second, among the most urgent political and humanitarian challenges of the day. Upwards of 9000 people have now reportedly been killed in Syria. Tens of thousands more have been wounded and, according to some estimates, up to a million men, women and children are internally or externally displaced. French and British-led intervention in Libya was triggered by Muammar Gaddafi's credible threat to kill civilians in Benghazi en masse. Assad has actually done it in Homs.
At this writing, he has ignored the deadline agreed with former UN general secretary Kofi Annan for the withdrawal of Syrian forces. The chances of an effective, lasting ceasefire seem vanishingly small. If the scale of mass killing of civilians were the sole trigger for humanitarian intervention, we hould have done it weeks ago. Compared with these horrors, who gives a fig for the passing of some old sultana?
Yet the two are more closely related than you might think. For Turkey, it makes a world of difference that the territory now called Syria was, until the First World War, as much an integral part of the Ottoman realm as Ireland was of the British. This historical awareness is especially important for Turkey's moderate Islamist government, whose deputy prime minister attended the funeral ceremony for the last granddaughter of the last sultan. Its doctrine of 'strategic depth' sees Turkey as a regional power, straddling Europe, the Middle East and Central Asia, like... guess who.
Its voluble and hyperenergetic foreign minister, Ahmet Davutoglu, has, to be sure, formally rejected the charge that he is a 'neo-Ottoman'; but he has also said 'I am not a minister of a nation state only'. A former university professor, he talks often, eloquently and at length about the Ottoman legacy. After one such performance, delivered to assembled foreign ministers of the European Union, one of them joked that the EU was being invited to join the Ottoman empire. But this is, of course, a modernised, slimmed-down, republican version, rather as the last princess ended her life officially called plain Mrs Osmanoglu - that is, roughly, Mrs Ottoman. (Think Mrs Windsor, formerly of Windsor Castle, in the British republic that I shall not live to see.)
More materially, the dynamic Turkish economy has major business and trading interests in Syria, while the chequerboard ethnic legacy of the partitioned Ottoman realms means that restless Kurds live on both sides of that Turkish-Syrian frontier. Not to mention the sheer, immediate ressure of refugees, which has led to increasing talk of the Turkish army imposing a buffer zone or humanitarian corridor inside the Syrian frontier. Some even suggest that Turkey could cite a violation of article 1 of the 1998 Adana agreement between the two countries, which states that 'Syria... will not permit any activity that emanates from its territory aimed at jeopardising the security and stability of Turkey'. (This originally referred to support for Kurdish groups such as the PKK.) In Istanbul, I also heard unconfirmed reports of former members of Turkish special forces fighting with the Free Syrian Army.
But there's a larger story here. When I write, in relation to humanitarian intervention, 'we should have done it long ago', many readers' default assumption will be that my 'we' refers mainly to Western powers, preferably acting with some UN authority and politely called 'the international community'. And it is true that if the West's leading military powers, above all the United States, then Britain and France, do engage with armed force - as they eventually did in two other corners of the former Ottoman empire, Bosnia and Kosovo - that has a transformative effect. But none of them, least of all Washington, show any intention of doing so here.
US president Barack Obama and French president Nicolas Sarkozy have elections to win. British prime minister David Cameron is too busy eating cold Cornish pasty and drumming up trade in the far east. They will express outrage, and try to ratchet up economic sanctions and diplomatic ressure through the UN, but don't expect any Libya or Kosovo-type intervention any time soon.
In these circumstances, other states will determine the fate of the Syrian people. In the near future, Turkey will be more important than Britain, Iran than Germany, Saudi Arabia than France, Russia than America. In Syria, all these regional powers pursue their own national interests, defined not just in economic and military but also in cultural and ideological terms. So there's a tussle between Shiite, post-revolutionary Iran and Sunni, reactionary Saudi Arabia, post-imperial Russia and neo-Ottoman Turkey, not to mention distant but mighty China - a vital swing vote among the permanent members of the UN security council.
If some weary pasha had gone to sleep in 1912 and only woken up today there would be much to surprise him, from post-colonial states to Facebook, democracy and mobile phones. But after a few weeks of adjustment, he might feel quite at home. Ah yes, he would say, here are great powers pursuing their very different values and interests, openly and by stealth, in the familiar great game. In fact, many of them are reduced, partially modernised versions of the same old powers: Turkey now under sultan Recep Tayyip Erdogan, Russia yoked to tsar Vladimir Putin, China in the last months of emperor Hu Jintao, Britain with Her (in 1912, His) Majesty's pink-cheeked first minister, and so on.
The balance of forces around Syria would be different if the historically new, shared sovereignty model of the European Union had reached out to embrace Turkey, as it has been promising to do - incredibly, in both senses of the word - for nearly fifty years, since the association agreement of 1963. But it has not. Europe, as Europe, is inaudible on Syria as on so many other issues. And hence the fate of that country's brave resisters and suffering civilians depends on the old-fashioned regional competition of diverse sovereign powers.
Timothy Garton Ash is Professor of European Studies at Oxford University, a Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University, and the author, most recently, of Facts are Subversive: Political Writing from a Decade Without a Name
I guess propaganda has to follow certain rules in order to be effective. A small mistake and it becomes apparent, actually damaging the propaganda creator instead of benefiting him.
Oh well I guess even university professors have expenses to cover - hence this great article, full of inaccuracies presented as facts. Personal wishes being presented as historical truths.
I guess one gets what he pays for. This article is by no means a view point. It is bad propaganda and as such it is rejected and returned to its initial sender.
I guess the next article of the propaganda professor will be about EU begging the great EU nation of Turkey to be integrated.
This is what now days passes for a western intellectual viewpoint on Syria. It is little wonder that both the political leaders in Washington/London find it almost impossible to get good advice on any issue.
Firstly, this idea that is being pushed that Turkey is a power in 2012 is banal in its best form but more to the point it is one of the silliest statements made so far. Turkey is a THIRD WORLD country that is being propped up by the EU at every turn through aid for the country and its armed forces. Most of Turkey’s military hardware is provided free of charge. If you want to see just how strong Turkey is as an economic power let Brussels open its doors to all that want to come to the EU from Turkey and then you will see how many is left. Apart from Istanbul and Ankara the rest is a horse and donkey economy. The only reason we keep on hearing about the might of the Turkish economy is that the west panders to it.
The chances of Turkey taking over Syria is about as good as the indigenous tribes taking back New York. Thinking about it and what happens are two very different things. The Turkish army imposing a buffer zone would be an even sillier idea than the US invading Iraq, but stupid does as stupid sees. The Turkish army has been wiped clean several times by the PKK in northern Iraq and that is simply due to the fact that they believed in their own BS too much i.e. the Turkish army is invincible.
Now for the Turks to even attempt a buffer zone they would need UN cover and that is not going to happen too soon. In the meantime Damascus can easily supply better equipment to the PKK so they can operate more efficiently inside Turkish territory and they could then ignite that fire for the Turks.
“…the former Ottoman empire, Bosnia and Kosovo - that has a transformative effect. But none of them, least of all Washington, show any intention of doing so here.”
Why not explain the reason that the might of western windbaggery will not intervene? It’s because they will not have the cover of an approval from the UN where the mighty west only attacks small and defenceless nations to ensure they can crap on about their superior weapons. The second and most important reason is that the Russians will arm the Syrians and the superior western aircraft will be shot down by the dozen; that is why.
Who in their right mind, except crackpot academics, would embrace a Muslim nation of many millions so they can move into the EU and cause even more strife than now exists? Can you imagine a Europe where you Turks out breeding the locals? The vast, vast majority of Turkish immigrants to Europe would live off social security and so would their children and grandchildren – ask the Germans.
If you place the same conditions of entry into the EU on Turkey as they do for everyone else then Turkey has not even scratched the surface in achieving EU standards. Turkey is about 60 years behind at least and that is despite being given billions in aid from the US and EU over many decades.
Its time for academics to write about the reality and not invent scenarios that are based on dreams – to say “ Turkey now under sultan Recep Tayyip Erdogan, Russia yoked to tsar Vladimir Putin, China in the last months of emperor Hu Jintao, Britain with Her (in 1912, His) Majesty's pink-cheeked first minister, and so on” – is purile. Its no even good enough to pass off as humour.
(sj, 16 April 2012 06:44)
Very interesting its being all sit up in one of the worst wars in history just as the bible says so. Russian armies will come down with Turkey ,Iran ,Egypt and other Muslim states on one side as Syria will once again become a colony of Ottoman Turks. They will get such a horrible thrashing by little Israel that the evil wicked satanically inspired alliance will be against.
(Lenard, 15 April 2012 18:45)
This is what now days passes for a western intellectual viewpoint on Syria. It is little wonder that both the political leaders in Washington/London find it almost impossible to get good advice on any issue.
Firstly, this idea that is being pushed that Turkey is a power in 2012 is banal in its best form but more to the point it is one of the silliest statements made so far. Turkey is a THIRD WORLD country that is being propped up by the EU at every turn through aid for the country and its armed forces. Most of Turkey’s military hardware is provided free of charge. If you want to see just how strong Turkey is as an economic power let Brussels open its doors to all that want to come to the EU from Turkey and then you will see how many is left. Apart from Istanbul and Ankara the rest is a horse and donkey economy. The only reason we keep on hearing about the might of the Turkish economy is that the west panders to it.
The chances of Turkey taking over Syria is about as good as the indigenous tribes taking back New York. Thinking about it and what happens are two very different things. The Turkish army imposing a buffer zone would be an even sillier idea than the US invading Iraq, but stupid does as stupid sees. The Turkish army has been wiped clean several times by the PKK in northern Iraq and that is simply due to the fact that they believed in their own BS too much i.e. the Turkish army is invincible.
Now for the Turks to even attempt a buffer zone they would need UN cover and that is not going to happen too soon. In the meantime Damascus can easily supply better equipment to the PKK so they can operate more efficiently inside Turkish territory and they could then ignite that fire for the Turks.
“…the former Ottoman empire, Bosnia and Kosovo - that has a transformative effect. But none of them, least of all Washington, show any intention of doing so here.”
Why not explain the reason that the might of western windbaggery will not intervene? It’s because they will not have the cover of an approval from the UN where the mighty west only attacks small and defenceless nations to ensure they can crap on about their superior weapons. The second and most important reason is that the Russians will arm the Syrians and the superior western aircraft will be shot down by the dozen; that is why.
Who in their right mind, except crackpot academics, would embrace a Muslim nation of many millions so they can move into the EU and cause even more strife than now exists? Can you imagine a Europe where you Turks out breeding the locals? The vast, vast majority of Turkish immigrants to Europe would live off social security and so would their children and grandchildren – ask the Germans.
If you place the same conditions of entry into the EU on Turkey as they do for everyone else then Turkey has not even scratched the surface in achieving EU standards. Turkey is about 60 years behind at least and that is despite being given billions in aid from the US and EU over many decades.
Its time for academics to write about the reality and not invent scenarios that are based on dreams – to say “ Turkey now under sultan Recep Tayyip Erdogan, Russia yoked to tsar Vladimir Putin, China in the last months of emperor Hu Jintao, Britain with Her (in 1912, His) Majesty's pink-cheeked first minister, and so on” – is purile. Its no even good enough to pass off as humour.
(sj, 16 April 2012 06:44)
I guess propaganda has to follow certain rules in order to be effective. A small mistake and it becomes apparent, actually damaging the propaganda creator instead of benefiting him.
Oh well I guess even university professors have expenses to cover - hence this great article, full of inaccuracies presented as facts. Personal wishes being presented as historical truths.
I guess one gets what he pays for. This article is by no means a view point. It is bad propaganda and as such it is rejected and returned to its initial sender.
I guess the next article of the propaganda professor will be about EU begging the great EU nation of Turkey to be integrated.
Very interesting its being all sit up in one of the worst wars in history just as the bible says so. Russian armies will come down with Turkey ,Iran ,Egypt and other Muslim states on one side as Syria will once again become a colony of Ottoman Turks. They will get such a horrible thrashing by little Israel that the evil wicked satanically inspired alliance will be against.
(Lenard, 15 April 2012 18:45)
Very interesting its being all sit up in one of the worst wars in history just as the bible says so. Russian armies will come down with Turkey ,Iran ,Egypt and other Muslim states on one side as Syria will once again become a colony of Ottoman Turks. They will get such a horrible thrashing by little Israel that the evil wicked satanically inspired alliance will be against.
(Lenard, 15 April 2012 18:45)
This is what now days passes for a western intellectual viewpoint on Syria. It is little wonder that both the political leaders in Washington/London find it almost impossible to get good advice on any issue.
Firstly, this idea that is being pushed that Turkey is a power in 2012 is banal in its best form but more to the point it is one of the silliest statements made so far. Turkey is a THIRD WORLD country that is being propped up by the EU at every turn through aid for the country and its armed forces. Most of Turkey’s military hardware is provided free of charge. If you want to see just how strong Turkey is as an economic power let Brussels open its doors to all that want to come to the EU from Turkey and then you will see how many is left. Apart from Istanbul and Ankara the rest is a horse and donkey economy. The only reason we keep on hearing about the might of the Turkish economy is that the west panders to it.
The chances of Turkey taking over Syria is about as good as the indigenous tribes taking back New York. Thinking about it and what happens are two very different things. The Turkish army imposing a buffer zone would be an even sillier idea than the US invading Iraq, but stupid does as stupid sees. The Turkish army has been wiped clean several times by the PKK in northern Iraq and that is simply due to the fact that they believed in their own BS too much i.e. the Turkish army is invincible.
Now for the Turks to even attempt a buffer zone they would need UN cover and that is not going to happen too soon. In the meantime Damascus can easily supply better equipment to the PKK so they can operate more efficiently inside Turkish territory and they could then ignite that fire for the Turks.
“…the former Ottoman empire, Bosnia and Kosovo - that has a transformative effect. But none of them, least of all Washington, show any intention of doing so here.”
Why not explain the reason that the might of western windbaggery will not intervene? It’s because they will not have the cover of an approval from the UN where the mighty west only attacks small and defenceless nations to ensure they can crap on about their superior weapons. The second and most important reason is that the Russians will arm the Syrians and the superior western aircraft will be shot down by the dozen; that is why.
Who in their right mind, except crackpot academics, would embrace a Muslim nation of many millions so they can move into the EU and cause even more strife than now exists? Can you imagine a Europe where you Turks out breeding the locals? The vast, vast majority of Turkish immigrants to Europe would live off social security and so would their children and grandchildren – ask the Germans.
If you place the same conditions of entry into the EU on Turkey as they do for everyone else then Turkey has not even scratched the surface in achieving EU standards. Turkey is about 60 years behind at least and that is despite being given billions in aid from the US and EU over many decades.
Its time for academics to write about the reality and not invent scenarios that are based on dreams – to say “ Turkey now under sultan Recep Tayyip Erdogan, Russia yoked to tsar Vladimir Putin, China in the last months of emperor Hu Jintao, Britain with Her (in 1912, His) Majesty's pink-cheeked first minister, and so on” – is purile. Its no even good enough to pass off as humour.
(sj, 16 April 2012 06:44)
I guess propaganda has to follow certain rules in order to be effective. A small mistake and it becomes apparent, actually damaging the propaganda creator instead of benefiting him.
Oh well I guess even university professors have expenses to cover - hence this great article, full of inaccuracies presented as facts. Personal wishes being presented as historical truths.
I guess one gets what he pays for. This article is by no means a view point. It is bad propaganda and as such it is rejected and returned to its initial sender.
I guess the next article of the propaganda professor will be about EU begging the great EU nation of Turkey to be integrated.