If USA doesn't support Ukraine in the fight against Russia, it would cause great damage to American economic and security interests, said White House spokesman.
If USA doesn't support Ukraine in the fight against Russia, it would cause great damage to American economic and security interests, said White House spokesman.
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"If (Russian President Vladimir) Putin wins in Ukraine, he stands on NATO's doorstep. And as I said the other day, if you think the cost of supporting Ukraine is high now, think about how much it will be not only in money, but in American blood if we have to start acting on our Article Five obligations," White House National Security Adviser John Kirby said at a press briefing.
Kirby said the political controversy over aid to Ukraine was "a big gift to Vladimir Putin," the State Department said.
"He's been counting on this development since the beginning of this war. If you care about our national security, you should see Putin for what he is, you should see Russia for what it is, and understand that you're helping Ukraine... you're helping them win in this war is very much in our national security interests and the national security interests of all our allies in Europe," Kirby said.
Article five of the North Atlantic Treaty requires member states to consider armed attacks on any member state as attacks on the entire Alliance and to provide immediate military assistance.
(Z, 12 December 2023 08:11)
You fall into that category of empty vessels make the most sound. I bet you could not point out one piece of history to back any of your claim. Remember I know history very well. You say I use vulgar vocabulary yet I read things you post like stupid, arrogant and fool. Did you have a terrible childhood which lacked proper teaching?
Everyone amuses you but me thinks you’re the only laughing stock here.
(sj, 12 December 2023 22:42)
Z.......
By the way, why dont you address and debate the points I make??
One of my points was......
Why is Ukraine so important for Americas national security..?? Surely being on Russias border Ukraine is in Russias national security interest...???
What if Vladimir Putin said that Russia needs to put missiles and a military base in Mexico....because its in Russias security interest.
Its always a sign of desperation and no answeres when idiots like you ignore the points raised and issues, and instead just resort to insults......Try again Mr Z....
(OSMANIS XXX LARGE KNICKERS, 11 December 2023 16:46)
Z........
I think you are losing your marbles. Who ever said true justice and democracy is bad...???
The trouble is that America and poodles do not respect int. law.
Go tell the Iraqi people of Americas democracy...!! Go tell the people of Libya about how good American democracy is... And what about the people of Afghanistan, Somalia, Vietnam, Laos, Panama, etc.....
By the way, hows the hunt for WMDs going??
Mr Z, you need to read, watch, listen and understand all sides in a conflict before you spew out rubbish.
I would you suggest you read "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" by John Perkins.
Read "How to Kill a Nation" by Michael Parenti.
Read "Britains Secret wars" by TJ Coles.......
Many more I could recommend but this may be a good start. If you cant be bothered to read (which you clearly dont) google the above and get a flavour of whats really going on.
I'll tell you what Mr Z, if you are obssessed with "democracy and justice" tell us why the USA has been so froendly with S Arabia. S Arabia is of course a beacon of democracy, right? How was Pinochet tolerated by Washington when he tortured and murdered tens of thousands in Chile..??
Why didnt America tell Kiev to respect the Minsk agreements???
Z, you are an idiot....
(OSMANIS XXX LARGE KNICKERS, 11 December 2023 16:16)
Watcher,
Our "kids" have been at the "front" many times, for good reasons.
(Z, 11 December 2023 04:57)
@ Z - Then your "good reasons" are screwed up! Maybe YOU should be at the front instead of your kids!!
The west has overreached with their bullying! They should've never instigated anything with Russia!
What logical western mind thought Russia would ever accept being bullied??
To put Russia in a "corner" and "defeat" them??
Russia is capable of igniting, not only Hell on earth, but the total destruction of mankind!! And you want to poke them because of your pride and Ego???
These politicians (from every side) are greedy, insane, evil people that have no regard for anything or anybody!!
So Z, continue feeding your "kids" to your God Baal...but not mine!! Got it, Homer??
(Watcher, 11 December 2023 13:23)
Mr. O,
You really need psychiatric help with your hateful obsessions and misconceptions.
So you think democracy and freedom are BAD things?
Where are you now, speaking so freely?
You need to be right at the frontlines in Russia, freezing your ass off.
(Z, 11 December 2023 02:43)
Of course Kirby is correct. NATO needs to step up and honour their obligations. And ousting Turkey, with an Islamic dictator in charge, would be a good move as well.
(Z, 11 December 2023 02:38)
EA.......
You really are as as dumb as a box of frogs. If anyone from America says that grass is blue and the moon is made of cheese you would believe it.
Tell us how Ukraine is a in Americas national security?? Its not exactly on Americas border such as Mexico.
And in your own words (not what some Yank says), why is Moldova "next"??? What proof or evidence do you have?? Why will Russia attack Moldova?
NB; if Moldova has signed agreements with Russia on important issues and it dont respect them, then yes Russia will take appropriate action.
And please tell us if its ok for Mexico to host a Russian military base, because it would "go in line with Russias national security".
How about that, how does that sound?
(OSMANIS XXX LARGE KNICKERS, 10 December 2023 15:50)
American statements are meant for children. Bewildering that anyone with even a shred of sanity listens to their politicians.
(Djoko, 10 December 2023 14:47)
Beautifully said. In my own words the next Russian target will be Moldova...
(EA, 10 December 2023 00:01)
You agreeing with Kirby. My goodness two great military strategists. Too bad you cant distinguish facts from fiction – Kirby knows well that what he is saying is spin, but you being so smart thinks it’s real.
However, how is it possible for Russia targeting Moldova when, in your own wrods, it has LOST in Ukraine??????? Any ideas?
(sj, 10 December 2023 10:00)
"If (Russian President Vladimir) Putin wins in Ukraine, he stands on NATO's doorstep. And as I said the other day, if you think the cost of supporting Ukraine is high now, think about how much it will be not only in money, but in American blood if we have to start acting on our Article Five obligations," White House National Security Adviser John Kirby said at a press briefing.
Beautifully said. In my own words the next Russian target will be Moldova...
(EA, 10 December 2023 00:01)
Artical 5 goes againts the Amrican constitution. United States under its own laws cant enter a war unless aproved by the congress. So article 5 they would have to vote on. But Nither Russia or Unites States wants a direct war. Putin once said ww4 woild be fought with sticks and stones.. meaning ww3 would be nuclear.
(Mike.Canada, 9 December 2023 23:12)
Oh what a stupid ststement from Kirby. So lets get this straight, if Russia wins in Ukraine then Russia is "on natos doorstep"..??
Have I missed something here? If Ukraine had joined nato then that would be ok for nato to be on Russias doorstep??
Just a thought.....had America/nato not pushed for Ukraine to join nato then there would be a buffa......
Right...???
How arrogant from Washington. But then again America and its poodles have been arrogant for decades. They think that the world belongs to them, that they are masters of all and everyone must kneel down to them. They think its fine to invade and destroy nations, steal resources....and all under some BS of "democracy and justice, bla, bla, bla".........
The USA is the worlds bully and terrorist.
(OSMANIS XXX LARGE KNICKERS, 9 December 2023 16:28)
Oh what a stupid ststement from Kirby. So lets get this straight, if Russia wins in Ukraine then Russia is "on natos doorstep"..??
Have I missed something here? If Ukraine had joined nato then that would be ok for nato to be on Russias doorstep??
Just a thought.....had America/nato not pushed for Ukraine to join nato then there would be a buffa......
Right...???
How arrogant from Washington. But then again America and its poodles have been arrogant for decades. They think that the world belongs to them, that they are masters of all and everyone must kneel down to them. They think its fine to invade and destroy nations, steal resources....and all under some BS of "democracy and justice, bla, bla, bla".........
The USA is the worlds bully and terrorist.
(OSMANIS XXX LARGE KNICKERS, 9 December 2023 16:28)
Artical 5 goes againts the Amrican constitution. United States under its own laws cant enter a war unless aproved by the congress. So article 5 they would have to vote on. But Nither Russia or Unites States wants a direct war. Putin once said ww4 woild be fought with sticks and stones.. meaning ww3 would be nuclear.
(Mike.Canada, 9 December 2023 23:12)
EA.......
You really are as as dumb as a box of frogs. If anyone from America says that grass is blue and the moon is made of cheese you would believe it.
Tell us how Ukraine is a in Americas national security?? Its not exactly on Americas border such as Mexico.
And in your own words (not what some Yank says), why is Moldova "next"??? What proof or evidence do you have?? Why will Russia attack Moldova?
NB; if Moldova has signed agreements with Russia on important issues and it dont respect them, then yes Russia will take appropriate action.
And please tell us if its ok for Mexico to host a Russian military base, because it would "go in line with Russias national security".
How about that, how does that sound?
(OSMANIS XXX LARGE KNICKERS, 10 December 2023 15:50)
Beautifully said. In my own words the next Russian target will be Moldova...
(EA, 10 December 2023 00:01)
You agreeing with Kirby. My goodness two great military strategists. Too bad you cant distinguish facts from fiction – Kirby knows well that what he is saying is spin, but you being so smart thinks it’s real.
However, how is it possible for Russia targeting Moldova when, in your own wrods, it has LOST in Ukraine??????? Any ideas?
(sj, 10 December 2023 10:00)
American statements are meant for children. Bewildering that anyone with even a shred of sanity listens to their politicians.
(Djoko, 10 December 2023 14:47)
Watcher,
Our "kids" have been at the "front" many times, for good reasons.
(Z, 11 December 2023 04:57)
@ Z - Then your "good reasons" are screwed up! Maybe YOU should be at the front instead of your kids!!
The west has overreached with their bullying! They should've never instigated anything with Russia!
What logical western mind thought Russia would ever accept being bullied??
To put Russia in a "corner" and "defeat" them??
Russia is capable of igniting, not only Hell on earth, but the total destruction of mankind!! And you want to poke them because of your pride and Ego???
These politicians (from every side) are greedy, insane, evil people that have no regard for anything or anybody!!
So Z, continue feeding your "kids" to your God Baal...but not mine!! Got it, Homer??
(Watcher, 11 December 2023 13:23)
Z.......
By the way, why dont you address and debate the points I make??
One of my points was......
Why is Ukraine so important for Americas national security..?? Surely being on Russias border Ukraine is in Russias national security interest...???
What if Vladimir Putin said that Russia needs to put missiles and a military base in Mexico....because its in Russias security interest.
Its always a sign of desperation and no answeres when idiots like you ignore the points raised and issues, and instead just resort to insults......Try again Mr Z....
(OSMANIS XXX LARGE KNICKERS, 11 December 2023 16:46)
Z........
I think you are losing your marbles. Who ever said true justice and democracy is bad...???
The trouble is that America and poodles do not respect int. law.
Go tell the Iraqi people of Americas democracy...!! Go tell the people of Libya about how good American democracy is... And what about the people of Afghanistan, Somalia, Vietnam, Laos, Panama, etc.....
By the way, hows the hunt for WMDs going??
Mr Z, you need to read, watch, listen and understand all sides in a conflict before you spew out rubbish.
I would you suggest you read "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" by John Perkins.
Read "How to Kill a Nation" by Michael Parenti.
Read "Britains Secret wars" by TJ Coles.......
Many more I could recommend but this may be a good start. If you cant be bothered to read (which you clearly dont) google the above and get a flavour of whats really going on.
I'll tell you what Mr Z, if you are obssessed with "democracy and justice" tell us why the USA has been so froendly with S Arabia. S Arabia is of course a beacon of democracy, right? How was Pinochet tolerated by Washington when he tortured and murdered tens of thousands in Chile..??
Why didnt America tell Kiev to respect the Minsk agreements???
Z, you are an idiot....
(OSMANIS XXX LARGE KNICKERS, 11 December 2023 16:16)
"If (Russian President Vladimir) Putin wins in Ukraine, he stands on NATO's doorstep. And as I said the other day, if you think the cost of supporting Ukraine is high now, think about how much it will be not only in money, but in American blood if we have to start acting on our Article Five obligations," White House National Security Adviser John Kirby said at a press briefing.
Beautifully said. In my own words the next Russian target will be Moldova...
(EA, 10 December 2023 00:01)
Of course Kirby is correct. NATO needs to step up and honour their obligations. And ousting Turkey, with an Islamic dictator in charge, would be a good move as well.
(Z, 11 December 2023 02:38)
Mr. O,
You really need psychiatric help with your hateful obsessions and misconceptions.
So you think democracy and freedom are BAD things?
Where are you now, speaking so freely?
You need to be right at the frontlines in Russia, freezing your ass off.
(Z, 11 December 2023 02:43)
(Z, 12 December 2023 08:11)
You fall into that category of empty vessels make the most sound. I bet you could not point out one piece of history to back any of your claim. Remember I know history very well. You say I use vulgar vocabulary yet I read things you post like stupid, arrogant and fool. Did you have a terrible childhood which lacked proper teaching?
Everyone amuses you but me thinks you’re the only laughing stock here.
(sj, 12 December 2023 22:42)
"If (Russian President Vladimir) Putin wins in Ukraine, he stands on NATO's doorstep. And as I said the other day, if you think the cost of supporting Ukraine is high now, think about how much it will be not only in money, but in American blood if we have to start acting on our Article Five obligations," White House National Security Adviser John Kirby said at a press briefing.
Beautifully said. In my own words the next Russian target will be Moldova...
(EA, 10 December 2023 00:01)
Mr. O,
You really need psychiatric help with your hateful obsessions and misconceptions.
So you think democracy and freedom are BAD things?
Where are you now, speaking so freely?
You need to be right at the frontlines in Russia, freezing your ass off.
(Z, 11 December 2023 02:43)
Oh what a stupid ststement from Kirby. So lets get this straight, if Russia wins in Ukraine then Russia is "on natos doorstep"..??
Have I missed something here? If Ukraine had joined nato then that would be ok for nato to be on Russias doorstep??
Just a thought.....had America/nato not pushed for Ukraine to join nato then there would be a buffa......
Right...???
How arrogant from Washington. But then again America and its poodles have been arrogant for decades. They think that the world belongs to them, that they are masters of all and everyone must kneel down to them. They think its fine to invade and destroy nations, steal resources....and all under some BS of "democracy and justice, bla, bla, bla".........
The USA is the worlds bully and terrorist.
(OSMANIS XXX LARGE KNICKERS, 9 December 2023 16:28)
Of course Kirby is correct. NATO needs to step up and honour their obligations. And ousting Turkey, with an Islamic dictator in charge, would be a good move as well.
(Z, 11 December 2023 02:38)
EA.......
You really are as as dumb as a box of frogs. If anyone from America says that grass is blue and the moon is made of cheese you would believe it.
Tell us how Ukraine is a in Americas national security?? Its not exactly on Americas border such as Mexico.
And in your own words (not what some Yank says), why is Moldova "next"??? What proof or evidence do you have?? Why will Russia attack Moldova?
NB; if Moldova has signed agreements with Russia on important issues and it dont respect them, then yes Russia will take appropriate action.
And please tell us if its ok for Mexico to host a Russian military base, because it would "go in line with Russias national security".
How about that, how does that sound?
(OSMANIS XXX LARGE KNICKERS, 10 December 2023 15:50)
Beautifully said. In my own words the next Russian target will be Moldova...
(EA, 10 December 2023 00:01)
You agreeing with Kirby. My goodness two great military strategists. Too bad you cant distinguish facts from fiction – Kirby knows well that what he is saying is spin, but you being so smart thinks it’s real.
However, how is it possible for Russia targeting Moldova when, in your own wrods, it has LOST in Ukraine??????? Any ideas?
(sj, 10 December 2023 10:00)
American statements are meant for children. Bewildering that anyone with even a shred of sanity listens to their politicians.
(Djoko, 10 December 2023 14:47)
Watcher,
Our "kids" have been at the "front" many times, for good reasons.
(Z, 11 December 2023 04:57)
@ Z - Then your "good reasons" are screwed up! Maybe YOU should be at the front instead of your kids!!
The west has overreached with their bullying! They should've never instigated anything with Russia!
What logical western mind thought Russia would ever accept being bullied??
To put Russia in a "corner" and "defeat" them??
Russia is capable of igniting, not only Hell on earth, but the total destruction of mankind!! And you want to poke them because of your pride and Ego???
These politicians (from every side) are greedy, insane, evil people that have no regard for anything or anybody!!
So Z, continue feeding your "kids" to your God Baal...but not mine!! Got it, Homer??
(Watcher, 11 December 2023 13:23)
Z.......
By the way, why dont you address and debate the points I make??
One of my points was......
Why is Ukraine so important for Americas national security..?? Surely being on Russias border Ukraine is in Russias national security interest...???
What if Vladimir Putin said that Russia needs to put missiles and a military base in Mexico....because its in Russias security interest.
Its always a sign of desperation and no answeres when idiots like you ignore the points raised and issues, and instead just resort to insults......Try again Mr Z....
(OSMANIS XXX LARGE KNICKERS, 11 December 2023 16:46)
Z........
I think you are losing your marbles. Who ever said true justice and democracy is bad...???
The trouble is that America and poodles do not respect int. law.
Go tell the Iraqi people of Americas democracy...!! Go tell the people of Libya about how good American democracy is... And what about the people of Afghanistan, Somalia, Vietnam, Laos, Panama, etc.....
By the way, hows the hunt for WMDs going??
Mr Z, you need to read, watch, listen and understand all sides in a conflict before you spew out rubbish.
I would you suggest you read "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" by John Perkins.
Read "How to Kill a Nation" by Michael Parenti.
Read "Britains Secret wars" by TJ Coles.......
Many more I could recommend but this may be a good start. If you cant be bothered to read (which you clearly dont) google the above and get a flavour of whats really going on.
I'll tell you what Mr Z, if you are obssessed with "democracy and justice" tell us why the USA has been so froendly with S Arabia. S Arabia is of course a beacon of democracy, right? How was Pinochet tolerated by Washington when he tortured and murdered tens of thousands in Chile..??
Why didnt America tell Kiev to respect the Minsk agreements???
Z, you are an idiot....
(OSMANIS XXX LARGE KNICKERS, 11 December 2023 16:16)
Artical 5 goes againts the Amrican constitution. United States under its own laws cant enter a war unless aproved by the congress. So article 5 they would have to vote on. But Nither Russia or Unites States wants a direct war. Putin once said ww4 woild be fought with sticks and stones.. meaning ww3 would be nuclear.
(Mike.Canada, 9 December 2023 23:12)
(Z, 12 December 2023 08:11)
You fall into that category of empty vessels make the most sound. I bet you could not point out one piece of history to back any of your claim. Remember I know history very well. You say I use vulgar vocabulary yet I read things you post like stupid, arrogant and fool. Did you have a terrible childhood which lacked proper teaching?
Everyone amuses you but me thinks you’re the only laughing stock here.
(sj, 12 December 2023 22:42)