"People will switch to a quiet survival strategy while body bags will keep coming"
Most experts agree that the war in Ukraine will not end anytime soon, and their opinions differ only in what they think will happen in the end.
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The British newspaper "Guardian" thus organized a panel discussion where answers were sought as to how the war in Ukraine will develop during 2023.
She adds that Ukraine and the eastern European countries closest to Russia’s borders may be willing to sustain the war for several more years. Western European states, however, may be wary of extending the conflict and its concentrated economic costs into a second winter if military gains aren’t forthcoming..
"Public dissatisfaction in the United States and parts of Europe will grow as the war drags on, even as the provision of advanced weaponry and training to Ukraine will take time to produce effects on the battlefield. For the US, however, the growing costs and the risks of escalation posed by continued conflict almost certainly outweigh the benefits from continued incremental territorial gains", she stated.
Polls of the American public have also shown that support for the policy of sending arms to Ukraine is declining.
On the other hand, Timothy Garton Ash, historian, political commentator and columnist for "The Guardian", believes that this spring and summer will be a potential time for Ukrainian victory. "At the moment, Russia still has the strategic initiative in the east, while Ukraine is running dangerously low on ammunition for its post-Soviet weapons," he says.
"But a planned Ukrainian counteroffensive this spring, using new brigades equipped and trained in the west, could turn the tide. If the Ukrainian armed forces manage to push south from the Zaporizhzhia region to the Sea of Azov, they could split the Russian occupying forces in two and potentially threaten Crimea. There is obviously a higher risk associated with that course, but also a bigger opportunity for getting to peace. This, and not a long grinding war in the east, is the best chance for Ukraine to put itself in a position to negotiate from strength", Ash points out.
Speed is of the essence, he explains, and adds that the West should not delay sending the most modern weapons to Ukraine.
Andrei Soldatov and Irina Borogan, Russian investigative journalists and authors of the book "The Compatriots: The Brutal and Chaotic History of Russia's Exiles, Émigrés, and Agents Abroad", say that this war will last for a very long time.
"That feeling dawned on Russians at the end of 2022. Most of those who wanted to leave the country have already left. The rest, the thinking part of the population, will try to adjust to the circumstances in a state where even children are subject to compulsory propaganda in schools," they say.
In 2023, an additional feeling will be the fear of those who enthusiastically went to war and are now returning. Many will be angry and frustrated and capable of further violence.
"People will switch to a silent strategy of survival - something known to the Russians," added Russian journalists. "The body bags arriving in Russian cities and towns will not add to sympathy for the plight of Ukrainians".
According to US General and Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley, the war is currently at a stalemate. This should be used as an opportunity to freeze the conflict.
What is needed now is enormous social pressure on Western governments to turn away from the logic of military escalation and turn to diplomacy. The West bears a high degree of responsibility for the escalation of this war, and there is also the ever-present threat of direct involvement. In order to stop this madness, we need an immediate ceasefire without preconditions, he believes.
How will the war in Ukraine develop during 2023? The Guardian panel look ahead: Emma Ashford, Timothy Garton Ash, Andrei Soldatov, Irina Borogan, Sevim Dağdelen, Frank Ledwidge and Andriy Yermak https://t.co/50KDWbhn8U
Lenny I no manage sheep station. These facts come from CNN in America or as most call it CIA central.
Kerhson liberated ha,ha,ha,ha. I suppose a stupid Krovat would call it liberated but moving 30,000 Russia troops on the other side of the Dniper River because your Nazi bros were going to blow up a dam that would have flooded that part of Kherson City is called a loss. Lenny even Ukrainians cannot occupy that part of the city because of the constant Russian shelling so, so much for that “great win” LOL.
What about Bakhmut? Were Ukrainians with Krovatian helmets and special rifles? Why they not winning? Maybe Koratians should direct war and show real losers in action.
Ukraine started with over 1,200 upgraded tanks, hundreds of fixed wing and rotary aircraft. All destroyed by the Russians. It was trained by NATO-to-NATO standards and equipped with western equipment. Where are the Javelins and stinkers? They proved s***. M777 artillery proved s***, US made suicide drones proved s***’ French Caesar artillery proved s****; HIMARS proved s***. Yes Lenny Ukraine waiting for second hand helicopters from Croatia ha,ha,ha,ha.
Yes you right Krovatia wants to buy Rafael, but cannot afford them ha,ha,ha,. Yes rich Krovatia broke. But Serbia buying Rafael from French and Serbia can afford them.
MiG 29s are not old. They have been upgraded while Krovatia still fly MiG 21s every now and then because cannot afford fuel.
(sj, 6 March 2023 10:00)
O little sj how do you even manage get the news of the back side of the outback. Must be tiring running from sheep station to sheep station. Are they still managing to send your pills out their seems you are slipping. You will see the liberation of Kherson region.
A lot of the Ukrainian soldiers are wearing Croatian made helmets, uniforms, to their boots also Croatian ballistic body armour. Also you will see them with Croatian made VHS 2 assault rifles with XD guns. Next phase of the war the helicopters will come very tactically important to rout the criminalRussians back to Russia.
Didn't you hear we upgraded our fighter, bomber force to the latest Rafael tranche fighters.
It dose not bode well for Serbia with old delapted Mig's will be a turkey shoot.
Thank you for your concern. 😄
(Lenard, 5 March 2023 07:35)
(Lenard, 28 February 2023 17:39)
Yes, Lenny Krovatia give even its own underwear to Ukraine LOL. No more helicopters for Krovatia, but what about the F16? when they arrive? No arrive because Krovatia way too poor to pay.
So Krovatia train and equipped 20,000 Ukrainian soldiers. Here are latest facts and they come from CNN who cite their sources in the Ukraine General Staff.
Ukrainian losses: 259,085 – dead; 246,904 wounded; 83,952 deserted; 28,393 captured. If missing personnel are included then it’s well over 600,000.
Your very effective Croatian first echelon brigades look like CRAP!
(sj, 4 March 2023 12:55)
Russians army will be soon on the ropes in Ukraine.
Croatia sent to Ukraine 14 MI-8 helicopters and 8 MI-35.
Trained 4 Ukrainian brigades over 20,000 soldiers and equipped them.
Modeled after the very effective Croatian first echelon brigades.
The Croatian trained Ukrainian brigades. Pushed back the criminal Russians and took a lot of Putin's criminals as prisoners.
(Lenard, 28 February 2023 17:39)
Russians army will be soon on the ropes in Ukraine.
Croatia sent to Ukraine 14 MI-8 helicopters and 8 MI-35.
Trained 4 Ukrainian brigades over 20,000 soldiers and equipped them.
Modeled after the very effective Croatian first echelon brigades.
The Croatian trained Ukrainian brigades. Pushed back the criminal Russians and took a lot of Putin's criminals as prisoners.
(Lenard, 28 February 2023 17:39)
(Lenard, 28 February 2023 17:39)
Yes, Lenny Krovatia give even its own underwear to Ukraine LOL. No more helicopters for Krovatia, but what about the F16? when they arrive? No arrive because Krovatia way too poor to pay.
So Krovatia train and equipped 20,000 Ukrainian soldiers. Here are latest facts and they come from CNN who cite their sources in the Ukraine General Staff.
Ukrainian losses: 259,085 – dead; 246,904 wounded; 83,952 deserted; 28,393 captured. If missing personnel are included then it’s well over 600,000.
Your very effective Croatian first echelon brigades look like CRAP!
(sj, 4 March 2023 12:55)
O little sj how do you even manage get the news of the back side of the outback. Must be tiring running from sheep station to sheep station. Are they still managing to send your pills out their seems you are slipping. You will see the liberation of Kherson region.
A lot of the Ukrainian soldiers are wearing Croatian made helmets, uniforms, to their boots also Croatian ballistic body armour. Also you will see them with Croatian made VHS 2 assault rifles with XD guns. Next phase of the war the helicopters will come very tactically important to rout the criminalRussians back to Russia.
Didn't you hear we upgraded our fighter, bomber force to the latest Rafael tranche fighters.
It dose not bode well for Serbia with old delapted Mig's will be a turkey shoot.
Thank you for your concern. 😄
(Lenard, 5 March 2023 07:35)
Lenny I no manage sheep station. These facts come from CNN in America or as most call it CIA central.
Kerhson liberated ha,ha,ha,ha. I suppose a stupid Krovat would call it liberated but moving 30,000 Russia troops on the other side of the Dniper River because your Nazi bros were going to blow up a dam that would have flooded that part of Kherson City is called a loss. Lenny even Ukrainians cannot occupy that part of the city because of the constant Russian shelling so, so much for that “great win” LOL.
What about Bakhmut? Were Ukrainians with Krovatian helmets and special rifles? Why they not winning? Maybe Koratians should direct war and show real losers in action.
Ukraine started with over 1,200 upgraded tanks, hundreds of fixed wing and rotary aircraft. All destroyed by the Russians. It was trained by NATO-to-NATO standards and equipped with western equipment. Where are the Javelins and stinkers? They proved s***. M777 artillery proved s***, US made suicide drones proved s***’ French Caesar artillery proved s****; HIMARS proved s***. Yes Lenny Ukraine waiting for second hand helicopters from Croatia ha,ha,ha,ha.
Yes you right Krovatia wants to buy Rafael, but cannot afford them ha,ha,ha,. Yes rich Krovatia broke. But Serbia buying Rafael from French and Serbia can afford them.
MiG 29s are not old. They have been upgraded while Krovatia still fly MiG 21s every now and then because cannot afford fuel.
(sj, 6 March 2023 10:00)
Russians army will be soon on the ropes in Ukraine.
Croatia sent to Ukraine 14 MI-8 helicopters and 8 MI-35.
Trained 4 Ukrainian brigades over 20,000 soldiers and equipped them.
Modeled after the very effective Croatian first echelon brigades.
The Croatian trained Ukrainian brigades. Pushed back the criminal Russians and took a lot of Putin's criminals as prisoners.
(Lenard, 28 February 2023 17:39)
(Lenard, 28 February 2023 17:39)
Yes, Lenny Krovatia give even its own underwear to Ukraine LOL. No more helicopters for Krovatia, but what about the F16? when they arrive? No arrive because Krovatia way too poor to pay.
So Krovatia train and equipped 20,000 Ukrainian soldiers. Here are latest facts and they come from CNN who cite their sources in the Ukraine General Staff.
Ukrainian losses: 259,085 – dead; 246,904 wounded; 83,952 deserted; 28,393 captured. If missing personnel are included then it’s well over 600,000.
Your very effective Croatian first echelon brigades look like CRAP!
(sj, 4 March 2023 12:55)
Lenny I no manage sheep station. These facts come from CNN in America or as most call it CIA central.
Kerhson liberated ha,ha,ha,ha. I suppose a stupid Krovat would call it liberated but moving 30,000 Russia troops on the other side of the Dniper River because your Nazi bros were going to blow up a dam that would have flooded that part of Kherson City is called a loss. Lenny even Ukrainians cannot occupy that part of the city because of the constant Russian shelling so, so much for that “great win” LOL.
What about Bakhmut? Were Ukrainians with Krovatian helmets and special rifles? Why they not winning? Maybe Koratians should direct war and show real losers in action.
Ukraine started with over 1,200 upgraded tanks, hundreds of fixed wing and rotary aircraft. All destroyed by the Russians. It was trained by NATO-to-NATO standards and equipped with western equipment. Where are the Javelins and stinkers? They proved s***. M777 artillery proved s***, US made suicide drones proved s***’ French Caesar artillery proved s****; HIMARS proved s***. Yes Lenny Ukraine waiting for second hand helicopters from Croatia ha,ha,ha,ha.
Yes you right Krovatia wants to buy Rafael, but cannot afford them ha,ha,ha,. Yes rich Krovatia broke. But Serbia buying Rafael from French and Serbia can afford them.
MiG 29s are not old. They have been upgraded while Krovatia still fly MiG 21s every now and then because cannot afford fuel.
(sj, 6 March 2023 10:00)
O little sj how do you even manage get the news of the back side of the outback. Must be tiring running from sheep station to sheep station. Are they still managing to send your pills out their seems you are slipping. You will see the liberation of Kherson region.
A lot of the Ukrainian soldiers are wearing Croatian made helmets, uniforms, to their boots also Croatian ballistic body armour. Also you will see them with Croatian made VHS 2 assault rifles with XD guns. Next phase of the war the helicopters will come very tactically important to rout the criminalRussians back to Russia.
Didn't you hear we upgraded our fighter, bomber force to the latest Rafael tranche fighters.
It dose not bode well for Serbia with old delapted Mig's will be a turkey shoot.
Thank you for your concern. 😄
(Lenard, 5 March 2023 07:35)