BELGRADE -- Members of the Serbian parliament is today discussing a draft declaration that condemns crimes committed against Serbs and citizens of Serbia.
BELGRADE -- Members of the Serbian parliament is today discussing a draft declaration that condemns crimes committed against Serbs and citizens of Serbia.
Source: Tanjug
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The draft, which is included in the agenda of the second sitting of the fall session of parliament, strongly condemns the crimes committed against Serbs in Croatia, Bosnia-Herzegovina and Kosovo and Metohija, and calls on parliaments of other countries, mainly from the territory of the former Yugoslavia, to also condemn those crimes.
The proposed document, tabled by 123 MPs, also expresses regret and solidarity with the victims of NATO's 1999 war and confidence that peace and stability are based on respect for international law.
The debate
Opposition SNS leader and MP Tomislav Nikolić criticized the ruling majority on Thursday for not including the 1999 NATO bombing and the events in Slovenia from the early 1990s in their draft declaration condemning war crimes committed against Serbs.
During the debate, Nikolić stated the document did not mention all war crimes, especially those committed by NATO.
"We expect NATO to apologize for the victims they caused, but instead you have taken their place in expressing condolences," Nikolić said.
Opposition New Serbia leader and MP Velimir Ilic criticized the declaration for the same reason, adding that its purpose was "simply to satisfy the public and the opposition".
"War crimes are always the same, regardless of the victims, and parliament should have opted for a single declaration to condemn all crimes," Ilić remarked.
Ruling DS parliamentary group chief Nada Kolundžija stated that by adopting the declaration on the condemnation of crimes against Serbs and Serbian citizens parliament intends to encourage the local and international institutions, as well as the institutions in the region, to emulate the same stance regarding the victims.
I hope this discussion would not turn into vying to prove who loves Serbia more, who feels the people's wounds more deeply, but would rather present an effort of a responsible institution to shed light on the past in the right way, place emphasis on individual responsibility and make sure the victims will not be forgotten, the crimes not repeated,” stated Kolundžija during Parliament's debate on the draft declaration.
Ruling Socialist Party of Serbia-United Serbia (SPS-JS) deputy whip and JS party leader Dragan Marković demanded that NATO apologizes for the crimes and civilian casualties during the 1999 bombing campaign.
Marković said that “the government's survival would have been questionable” had not the draft of the declaration been placed high on the agenda of Serbian parliament.
Commenting on this draft, Marković said that SPS-JS will vote for it, and reminded that although Serbs have never fought conquering wars, but only defensive ones, they paid very dearly.
He called upon Croatia, Bosnia and the assembly in Priština to condemn the crimes committed against the Serb people, and NATO to apologize to Serbia, "as it apologized to Afghanistan several days ago".
His coalition colleague and parliamentary group boss Branko Ružić said that the SPS-JS coalition would support the proposed declaration that condemns all war crimes against the Serbs, adding that he expected other parliaments in the region to condemn the war crimes committed in the former Yugoslavia as well.
"We think that regardless of the contents of the declaration, which some perhaps see as weaker than the one condemning the massacre in Srebrenica, the document still represents a civilizational step forward and an acknowledgment of the crimes committed against Serbs and Serbian citizens," Ružić told reporters in the parliament.
Serbia has shown willingness and courage to speak about everything that happened in the former Yugoslavia, and it is now up to other parliaments in the region to do the same, Ružić noted.
How about them war crimes committed against Serbs in Kosovo? Murder, organ harvesting, expulsion, destruction of religious and cultural heritage.
I think Serbia has expressed enough apologies for war crimes committed by Serbs. Too bad no one in the region and indeed NATO is doing the same thing for Serb victims.
(Joe A, 15 October 2010 08:47)
Please point me to any apology for war crimes that any Serb institution has made towards Kosova Albanians. I am very interested because I have yet to see one.
(johny, 16 October 2010 01:13)
(Denis, 14 October 2010 21:20)
How about them war crimes committed against Serbs in Kosovo? Murder, organ harvesting, expulsion, destruction of religious and cultural heritage.
I think Serbia has expressed enough apologies for war crimes committed by Serbs. Too bad no one in the region and indeed NATO is doing the same thing for Serb victims.
(Joe A, 15 October 2010 08:47)
I would lime to think that when I offer my thoughts on any subject , it will be balanced and based on an ideal and not an identity. Therefore if I can just say that this resolution is probably going to do more harm than good. The world will interpret this as a begrudging act that says "ok so we did some bad stuff , well you did some bad stuff to us , and we would like you to help us feel better about our own guilt."
Better not to have passed a resolution at all than one that is of absoltutely no benefit to anyone , including the reputation of Serbia. This was done to appease narrow minded nationalists. I hope Serbians see through this , they deserve better leadership. Lets call a spade a spade
(truthiness, 15 October 2010 07:32)
No. What I am saying is that those who engage in introverted politics in Serbia show little understanding of how their attitude and behaviour has dragged Serbia down in the eyes of the world.
It is fine for nationalistically oriented politicians to keep trying to shift blame and responsibility. That is what I mean by self-justification. However, from the outside it just looks like they are compounding the mistakes of the past. Any nationalistic game playing looks inherently antagonistic - and so becomes counter productive.
The world is not going to be taken as fools anymore and it is on the lookout for regressive and retrograde behaviour. After three years of Bosnia was when the line was drawn - and there is no going back on that.
If this parliament truly had the heart to fully extend its introversions to include deep understanding of the pain of all victims, that would be impressive.
That understanding would include Serbs too. This is not about sides; they were all victims.
(Bob, 15 October 2010 02:39)
The reason NATO crimes were not mentioned is simply because this Tadic government hopes to join them one day.
They have never ruled that out and are showing signs of willingness. The only thing stopping them is the fact they would be crucified for it.
(Peggy, 15 October 2010 01:06)
And Tadic has nothing to apologize for, the crimes Serbia commited in Kosovo? God help you.
(Denis, 14 October 2010 21:20)
===…==
Tadic has already apologised for that. Unless you have been hiding under a rock somwhere you must've heard about it. Are you throwing more mud at Serbs just for the thrill of it?
(Peggy, 15 October 2010 01:03)
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But please do not open the unnecessary discussion about Serbian DNA or race. It will finish not that good for you. The Iron Lady of Srpska tried this, but failed with her lessons about the biology.
(Tymi, 14 October 2010 17:40)
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What are you talking about? The effect of chemicals from various chemical factories are documented and studied, and it is known that many, if not most have adverse affects on DNA.
(Ark I, 14 October 2010 20:53)
The answer is in the many tens or hundreds of thousands.
Pointless deaths - mainly of innocents.
So why did you need to copy my whole posting in order to add your overly short question?
It would have been much more interesting to read your reasoned arguments on the issues.
(Bob)
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You point of "self-justification" is what I dont understand.
You saying crimes against innocent Serbs never happened?
(trudsaam, 14 October 2010 20:08)
I have mixed feelings about this resolution. I do agree that all participants in the Balkan wars have blood on their hands, and that the NATO acted in a criminal way when it started going after civilian targets, and the Chinese embassy for God's sake, what were they thinking, but, I also think that there ia an element of "good old serbian politics' here too. The old radical PMs, turned progressive, turned democratice, turned whatever, are using this res. as a tool for self-serving purposes - especially old, washed up hacks like Ilic. That guy should be long gone. But politicians by nature are self-serving, so I cannot point my finger at some, and not others. Individual governments in the Balkans may respond to this resolution, we'll see. As for the NATO, I do not expect anything from them, as not apologize may imply that they were in some way wrong , and they would never admit that, not to the Serbs, anyway.
(winston, 14 October 2010 19:52)
"War crimes are always the same, regardless of the victims, and parliament should have opted for a single declaration to condemn all crimes,"
I agree, but this was not done, and justice was not given to those who suffered and lost loved ones. A declaration is not sufficient; action is needed and the only action was the transfer of all war criminal to the court, no matter if it is national or international. The only thing that I've heard through the years has been repeated ad nauseam by all, no matter if they are Croats, Albanians, Bosniaks, Kosovars or Serbs: we've done to them what they've done to us.
(Gladko, 14 October 2010 19:42)
"Patrik I'm surpised at your comment, as you seemed to be pretty moderate and sensible otherwise.
Can't you see how absolutely astonishing this is? That Serbia is going to condemn all the crimes committed ONLY against Serbs by OTHERS, but is not going to condemn the (far greater, in fact, but besides the point) crimes that were committed BY Serbs against others in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo.
Oh, except Srebrenica itself. I guess that was the only place any Serbs ever committed any crimes.
Remarkable.
(DimTuc, 14 October 2010 18:11)"
My views have not changed. My point was this needs to be done while it is fresh in everyone's minds (especially the media). Of course I think other apologies are warranted, but let's not take away this opportunity just because it does not cover every past sin. Carpe Diem!
(Patrik, 14 October 2010 19:30)
Yes sure, condemn others but not yourself! You Serbs are the ones that should be apologizing! There were mass graves of bodies other than Serbs that serbian regime carried out in the 1990s. Be it in Bosnia or Kosovo. You have Mladic that the court is asking for and yet your protect. If you were not to do this, then NATO would not have bothered you! Simply pathetic.
(P32WE, 14 October 2010 19:00)
"He called upon Croatia, Bosnia and the assembly in Priština to condemn the crimes committed against the Serb people, and NATO to apologize to Serbia, "as it apologized to Afghanistan several days ago". "
I found this formulation very amusing...the so called "the assembly in Priština" at the time of NATO bombing was nothing more and nothing less than the very Serbian regime that was brutally killing its own people. Yes, all killings should be condemned, but don't ask the post-independence Kosovo institutions to condemn what the very Serbian state did in 1999.
(Eugene, 14 October 2010 18:57)
Patrik I'm surpised at your comment, as you seemed to be pretty moderate and sensible otherwise.
Can't you see how absolutely astonishing this is? That Serbia is going to condemn all the crimes committed ONLY against Serbs by OTHERS, but is not going to condemn the (far greater, in fact, but besides the point) crimes that were committed BY Serbs against others in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo.
Oh, except Srebrenica itself. I guess that was the only place any Serbs ever committed any crimes.
Tadic is a disgrace and is not worthy to be called a Serb. He is too afraid of losing his position as a western foot mat, so he cares more about pleasing them, then he cares about the Serbian people.
How can anybody bow to those who have deliberately weakened Serbian genes to weaken our race over generations.
(Ark I, 14 October 2010 15:45)
Ark! Dont blame Tadic for something he is not. He as nationalistic and Serb as you are. Not more. Not less. It is the right of Serbs and especially of the families who suffered to hear from the other side some reconciliation words. But please do not open the unnecessary discussion about Serbian DNA or race. It will finish not that good for you. The Iron Lady of Srpska tried this, but failed with her lessons about the biology.
(Tymi, 14 October 2010 17:40)
It is not going to be seen as constructive by the wider world, but just as one more inward-looking attempted excuse for the kinds of nationalistic rubbish that cost so many lives during the recent conflicts.
There are better ways to do politics.
(Bob)
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How many lives were lost?
(trudsaam, 14 October 2010 16:30)
this is self-satisfaction. have these MPs ever condemned the attrocities caused by the Serb police, army, paramilitaries in Croatia, Bosnia, and Kosovo?
(richard, 14 October 2010 15:56)
"MPs should condemn and apologize about crimes that Serbs committed against other peoples in the 90s wars particularly against Albanians in Kosovo.
(KS, 14 October 2010 12:05)"
Oh get over yourself. MPs have an opportunity right now to publicly condemn something that should be condemned and all you can do it belittle it because it is not what you are interested in? Get real, this needs to be done now!
(Patrik, 14 October 2010 15:50)
Tadic is dealing with such wickedness. He condemns crimes caused by some, but completely dodges putting anything on NATO, putting the focus only on their victims. He is making it sound like the victims were made victims by accident.
NATO did more damage and evil against the Serbs and the entire Balkans than the people of the Balkans have done to theirselves. They not only killed people during the war, they deliberatily poisoned Serbia and by extension the whole region. They figured out how to wage chemical warfare without being condemned for using chemical weapons. They bombed petroleum, fertilizer and other chemical factories to spread that poison throughout Serbia so they could continually weaken and kill Serbs in Serbia for decades. The poison they spread doesn't just affect one person in their life, it affects the propagation of the Serbian race, using those chemicals to weaken Serbian DNA for generations. Serbs, other people in the region and the animals and plant life will be feeling the effects for decades. And who knows how long after that it will take for those whose DNA is being affected by the poison to return to balance. And on top of that, they used their uranium bombs to cause further damage to the DNA of all Life in Serbia and the surrounding region.
Most people in Serbia have probably noticed how so many more people are now getting cancer and other sicknesses. There will be more torment in the coming generations until the chemicals are dispersed and the DNA returns to balance.
Tadic is a disgrace and is not worthy to be called a Serb. He is too afraid of losing his position as a western foot mat, so he cares more about pleasing them, then he cares about the Serbian people.
How can anybody bow to those who have deliberately weakened Serbian genes to weaken our race over generations.
(Ark I, 14 October 2010 15:45)
It is not going to be seen as constructive by the wider world, but just as one more inward-looking attempted excuse for the kinds of nationalistic rubbish that cost so many lives during the recent conflicts.
There are better ways to do politics.
(Bob, 14 October 2010 14:21)
MPs should condemn and apologize about crimes that Serbs committed against other peoples in the 90s wars particularly against Albanians in Kosovo.
(KS, 14 October 2010 12:05)
Did NATO bombing come so suddenly over a pacific society? This draft declaration is a buckle towards dark powers that have shown their teeth recent days.
(Afro, 14 October 2010 11:17)
MPs should condemn and apologize about crimes that Serbs committed against other peoples in the 90s wars particularly against Albanians in Kosovo.
(KS, 14 October 2010 12:05)
this is self-satisfaction. have these MPs ever condemned the attrocities caused by the Serb police, army, paramilitaries in Croatia, Bosnia, and Kosovo?
(richard, 14 October 2010 15:56)
Tadic is a disgrace and is not worthy to be called a Serb. He is too afraid of losing his position as a western foot mat, so he cares more about pleasing them, then he cares about the Serbian people.
How can anybody bow to those who have deliberately weakened Serbian genes to weaken our race over generations.
(Ark I, 14 October 2010 15:45)
Ark! Dont blame Tadic for something he is not. He as nationalistic and Serb as you are. Not more. Not less. It is the right of Serbs and especially of the families who suffered to hear from the other side some reconciliation words. But please do not open the unnecessary discussion about Serbian DNA or race. It will finish not that good for you. The Iron Lady of Srpska tried this, but failed with her lessons about the biology.
(Tymi, 14 October 2010 17:40)
It is not going to be seen as constructive by the wider world, but just as one more inward-looking attempted excuse for the kinds of nationalistic rubbish that cost so many lives during the recent conflicts.
There are better ways to do politics.
(Bob, 14 October 2010 14:21)
"MPs should condemn and apologize about crimes that Serbs committed against other peoples in the 90s wars particularly against Albanians in Kosovo.
(KS, 14 October 2010 12:05)"
Oh get over yourself. MPs have an opportunity right now to publicly condemn something that should be condemned and all you can do it belittle it because it is not what you are interested in? Get real, this needs to be done now!
(Patrik, 14 October 2010 15:50)
Yes sure, condemn others but not yourself! You Serbs are the ones that should be apologizing! There were mass graves of bodies other than Serbs that serbian regime carried out in the 1990s. Be it in Bosnia or Kosovo. You have Mladic that the court is asking for and yet your protect. If you were not to do this, then NATO would not have bothered you! Simply pathetic.
(P32WE, 14 October 2010 19:00)
Did NATO bombing come so suddenly over a pacific society? This draft declaration is a buckle towards dark powers that have shown their teeth recent days.
(Afro, 14 October 2010 11:17)
Tadic is dealing with such wickedness. He condemns crimes caused by some, but completely dodges putting anything on NATO, putting the focus only on their victims. He is making it sound like the victims were made victims by accident.
NATO did more damage and evil against the Serbs and the entire Balkans than the people of the Balkans have done to theirselves. They not only killed people during the war, they deliberatily poisoned Serbia and by extension the whole region. They figured out how to wage chemical warfare without being condemned for using chemical weapons. They bombed petroleum, fertilizer and other chemical factories to spread that poison throughout Serbia so they could continually weaken and kill Serbs in Serbia for decades. The poison they spread doesn't just affect one person in their life, it affects the propagation of the Serbian race, using those chemicals to weaken Serbian DNA for generations. Serbs, other people in the region and the animals and plant life will be feeling the effects for decades. And who knows how long after that it will take for those whose DNA is being affected by the poison to return to balance. And on top of that, they used their uranium bombs to cause further damage to the DNA of all Life in Serbia and the surrounding region.
Most people in Serbia have probably noticed how so many more people are now getting cancer and other sicknesses. There will be more torment in the coming generations until the chemicals are dispersed and the DNA returns to balance.
Tadic is a disgrace and is not worthy to be called a Serb. He is too afraid of losing his position as a western foot mat, so he cares more about pleasing them, then he cares about the Serbian people.
How can anybody bow to those who have deliberately weakened Serbian genes to weaken our race over generations.
(Ark I, 14 October 2010 15:45)
Patrik I'm surpised at your comment, as you seemed to be pretty moderate and sensible otherwise.
Can't you see how absolutely astonishing this is? That Serbia is going to condemn all the crimes committed ONLY against Serbs by OTHERS, but is not going to condemn the (far greater, in fact, but besides the point) crimes that were committed BY Serbs against others in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo.
Oh, except Srebrenica itself. I guess that was the only place any Serbs ever committed any crimes.
"He called upon Croatia, Bosnia and the assembly in Priština to condemn the crimes committed against the Serb people, and NATO to apologize to Serbia, "as it apologized to Afghanistan several days ago". "
I found this formulation very amusing...the so called "the assembly in Priština" at the time of NATO bombing was nothing more and nothing less than the very Serbian regime that was brutally killing its own people. Yes, all killings should be condemned, but don't ask the post-independence Kosovo institutions to condemn what the very Serbian state did in 1999.
(Eugene, 14 October 2010 18:57)
I would lime to think that when I offer my thoughts on any subject , it will be balanced and based on an ideal and not an identity. Therefore if I can just say that this resolution is probably going to do more harm than good. The world will interpret this as a begrudging act that says "ok so we did some bad stuff , well you did some bad stuff to us , and we would like you to help us feel better about our own guilt."
Better not to have passed a resolution at all than one that is of absoltutely no benefit to anyone , including the reputation of Serbia. This was done to appease narrow minded nationalists. I hope Serbians see through this , they deserve better leadership. Lets call a spade a spade
(truthiness, 15 October 2010 07:32)
"War crimes are always the same, regardless of the victims, and parliament should have opted for a single declaration to condemn all crimes,"
I agree, but this was not done, and justice was not given to those who suffered and lost loved ones. A declaration is not sufficient; action is needed and the only action was the transfer of all war criminal to the court, no matter if it is national or international. The only thing that I've heard through the years has been repeated ad nauseam by all, no matter if they are Croats, Albanians, Bosniaks, Kosovars or Serbs: we've done to them what they've done to us.
(Gladko, 14 October 2010 19:42)
I have mixed feelings about this resolution. I do agree that all participants in the Balkan wars have blood on their hands, and that the NATO acted in a criminal way when it started going after civilian targets, and the Chinese embassy for God's sake, what were they thinking, but, I also think that there ia an element of "good old serbian politics' here too. The old radical PMs, turned progressive, turned democratice, turned whatever, are using this res. as a tool for self-serving purposes - especially old, washed up hacks like Ilic. That guy should be long gone. But politicians by nature are self-serving, so I cannot point my finger at some, and not others. Individual governments in the Balkans may respond to this resolution, we'll see. As for the NATO, I do not expect anything from them, as not apologize may imply that they were in some way wrong , and they would never admit that, not to the Serbs, anyway.
(winston, 14 October 2010 19:52)
The answer is in the many tens or hundreds of thousands.
Pointless deaths - mainly of innocents.
So why did you need to copy my whole posting in order to add your overly short question?
It would have been much more interesting to read your reasoned arguments on the issues.
(Bob)
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You point of "self-justification" is what I dont understand.
You saying crimes against innocent Serbs never happened?
(trudsaam, 14 October 2010 20:08)
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But please do not open the unnecessary discussion about Serbian DNA or race. It will finish not that good for you. The Iron Lady of Srpska tried this, but failed with her lessons about the biology.
(Tymi, 14 October 2010 17:40)
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What are you talking about? The effect of chemicals from various chemical factories are documented and studied, and it is known that many, if not most have adverse affects on DNA.
(Ark I, 14 October 2010 20:53)
(Denis, 14 October 2010 21:20)
How about them war crimes committed against Serbs in Kosovo? Murder, organ harvesting, expulsion, destruction of religious and cultural heritage.
I think Serbia has expressed enough apologies for war crimes committed by Serbs. Too bad no one in the region and indeed NATO is doing the same thing for Serb victims.
(Joe A, 15 October 2010 08:47)
No. What I am saying is that those who engage in introverted politics in Serbia show little understanding of how their attitude and behaviour has dragged Serbia down in the eyes of the world.
It is fine for nationalistically oriented politicians to keep trying to shift blame and responsibility. That is what I mean by self-justification. However, from the outside it just looks like they are compounding the mistakes of the past. Any nationalistic game playing looks inherently antagonistic - and so becomes counter productive.
The world is not going to be taken as fools anymore and it is on the lookout for regressive and retrograde behaviour. After three years of Bosnia was when the line was drawn - and there is no going back on that.
If this parliament truly had the heart to fully extend its introversions to include deep understanding of the pain of all victims, that would be impressive.
That understanding would include Serbs too. This is not about sides; they were all victims.
(Bob, 15 October 2010 02:39)
It is not going to be seen as constructive by the wider world, but just as one more inward-looking attempted excuse for the kinds of nationalistic rubbish that cost so many lives during the recent conflicts.
There are better ways to do politics.
(Bob)
-
How many lives were lost?
(trudsaam, 14 October 2010 16:30)
"Patrik I'm surpised at your comment, as you seemed to be pretty moderate and sensible otherwise.
Can't you see how absolutely astonishing this is? That Serbia is going to condemn all the crimes committed ONLY against Serbs by OTHERS, but is not going to condemn the (far greater, in fact, but besides the point) crimes that were committed BY Serbs against others in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo.
Oh, except Srebrenica itself. I guess that was the only place any Serbs ever committed any crimes.
Remarkable.
(DimTuc, 14 October 2010 18:11)"
My views have not changed. My point was this needs to be done while it is fresh in everyone's minds (especially the media). Of course I think other apologies are warranted, but let's not take away this opportunity just because it does not cover every past sin. Carpe Diem!
(Patrik, 14 October 2010 19:30)
How about them war crimes committed against Serbs in Kosovo? Murder, organ harvesting, expulsion, destruction of religious and cultural heritage.
I think Serbia has expressed enough apologies for war crimes committed by Serbs. Too bad no one in the region and indeed NATO is doing the same thing for Serb victims.
(Joe A, 15 October 2010 08:47)
Please point me to any apology for war crimes that any Serb institution has made towards Kosova Albanians. I am very interested because I have yet to see one.
(johny, 16 October 2010 01:13)
And Tadic has nothing to apologize for, the crimes Serbia commited in Kosovo? God help you.
(Denis, 14 October 2010 21:20)
===…==
Tadic has already apologised for that. Unless you have been hiding under a rock somwhere you must've heard about it. Are you throwing more mud at Serbs just for the thrill of it?
(Peggy, 15 October 2010 01:03)
The reason NATO crimes were not mentioned is simply because this Tadic government hopes to join them one day.
They have never ruled that out and are showing signs of willingness. The only thing stopping them is the fact they would be crucified for it.
(Peggy, 15 October 2010 01:06)
MPs should condemn and apologize about crimes that Serbs committed against other peoples in the 90s wars particularly against Albanians in Kosovo.
(KS, 14 October 2010 12:05)
Tadic is dealing with such wickedness. He condemns crimes caused by some, but completely dodges putting anything on NATO, putting the focus only on their victims. He is making it sound like the victims were made victims by accident.
NATO did more damage and evil against the Serbs and the entire Balkans than the people of the Balkans have done to theirselves. They not only killed people during the war, they deliberatily poisoned Serbia and by extension the whole region. They figured out how to wage chemical warfare without being condemned for using chemical weapons. They bombed petroleum, fertilizer and other chemical factories to spread that poison throughout Serbia so they could continually weaken and kill Serbs in Serbia for decades. The poison they spread doesn't just affect one person in their life, it affects the propagation of the Serbian race, using those chemicals to weaken Serbian DNA for generations. Serbs, other people in the region and the animals and plant life will be feeling the effects for decades. And who knows how long after that it will take for those whose DNA is being affected by the poison to return to balance. And on top of that, they used their uranium bombs to cause further damage to the DNA of all Life in Serbia and the surrounding region.
Most people in Serbia have probably noticed how so many more people are now getting cancer and other sicknesses. There will be more torment in the coming generations until the chemicals are dispersed and the DNA returns to balance.
Tadic is a disgrace and is not worthy to be called a Serb. He is too afraid of losing his position as a western foot mat, so he cares more about pleasing them, then he cares about the Serbian people.
How can anybody bow to those who have deliberately weakened Serbian genes to weaken our race over generations.
(Ark I, 14 October 2010 15:45)
"MPs should condemn and apologize about crimes that Serbs committed against other peoples in the 90s wars particularly against Albanians in Kosovo.
(KS, 14 October 2010 12:05)"
Oh get over yourself. MPs have an opportunity right now to publicly condemn something that should be condemned and all you can do it belittle it because it is not what you are interested in? Get real, this needs to be done now!
(Patrik, 14 October 2010 15:50)
---
But please do not open the unnecessary discussion about Serbian DNA or race. It will finish not that good for you. The Iron Lady of Srpska tried this, but failed with her lessons about the biology.
(Tymi, 14 October 2010 17:40)
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What are you talking about? The effect of chemicals from various chemical factories are documented and studied, and it is known that many, if not most have adverse affects on DNA.
(Ark I, 14 October 2010 20:53)
Did NATO bombing come so suddenly over a pacific society? This draft declaration is a buckle towards dark powers that have shown their teeth recent days.
(Afro, 14 October 2010 11:17)
It is not going to be seen as constructive by the wider world, but just as one more inward-looking attempted excuse for the kinds of nationalistic rubbish that cost so many lives during the recent conflicts.
There are better ways to do politics.
(Bob, 14 October 2010 14:21)
this is self-satisfaction. have these MPs ever condemned the attrocities caused by the Serb police, army, paramilitaries in Croatia, Bosnia, and Kosovo?
(richard, 14 October 2010 15:56)
Patrik I'm surpised at your comment, as you seemed to be pretty moderate and sensible otherwise.
Can't you see how absolutely astonishing this is? That Serbia is going to condemn all the crimes committed ONLY against Serbs by OTHERS, but is not going to condemn the (far greater, in fact, but besides the point) crimes that were committed BY Serbs against others in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo.
Oh, except Srebrenica itself. I guess that was the only place any Serbs ever committed any crimes.
The answer is in the many tens or hundreds of thousands.
Pointless deaths - mainly of innocents.
So why did you need to copy my whole posting in order to add your overly short question?
It would have been much more interesting to read your reasoned arguments on the issues.
(Bob)
-
You point of "self-justification" is what I dont understand.
You saying crimes against innocent Serbs never happened?
(trudsaam, 14 October 2010 20:08)
It is not going to be seen as constructive by the wider world, but just as one more inward-looking attempted excuse for the kinds of nationalistic rubbish that cost so many lives during the recent conflicts.
There are better ways to do politics.
(Bob)
-
How many lives were lost?
(trudsaam, 14 October 2010 16:30)
Tadic is a disgrace and is not worthy to be called a Serb. He is too afraid of losing his position as a western foot mat, so he cares more about pleasing them, then he cares about the Serbian people.
How can anybody bow to those who have deliberately weakened Serbian genes to weaken our race over generations.
(Ark I, 14 October 2010 15:45)
Ark! Dont blame Tadic for something he is not. He as nationalistic and Serb as you are. Not more. Not less. It is the right of Serbs and especially of the families who suffered to hear from the other side some reconciliation words. But please do not open the unnecessary discussion about Serbian DNA or race. It will finish not that good for you. The Iron Lady of Srpska tried this, but failed with her lessons about the biology.
(Tymi, 14 October 2010 17:40)
I have mixed feelings about this resolution. I do agree that all participants in the Balkan wars have blood on their hands, and that the NATO acted in a criminal way when it started going after civilian targets, and the Chinese embassy for God's sake, what were they thinking, but, I also think that there ia an element of "good old serbian politics' here too. The old radical PMs, turned progressive, turned democratice, turned whatever, are using this res. as a tool for self-serving purposes - especially old, washed up hacks like Ilic. That guy should be long gone. But politicians by nature are self-serving, so I cannot point my finger at some, and not others. Individual governments in the Balkans may respond to this resolution, we'll see. As for the NATO, I do not expect anything from them, as not apologize may imply that they were in some way wrong , and they would never admit that, not to the Serbs, anyway.
(winston, 14 October 2010 19:52)
And Tadic has nothing to apologize for, the crimes Serbia commited in Kosovo? God help you.
(Denis, 14 October 2010 21:20)
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Tadic has already apologised for that. Unless you have been hiding under a rock somwhere you must've heard about it. Are you throwing more mud at Serbs just for the thrill of it?
(Peggy, 15 October 2010 01:03)
"Patrik I'm surpised at your comment, as you seemed to be pretty moderate and sensible otherwise.
Can't you see how absolutely astonishing this is? That Serbia is going to condemn all the crimes committed ONLY against Serbs by OTHERS, but is not going to condemn the (far greater, in fact, but besides the point) crimes that were committed BY Serbs against others in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo.
Oh, except Srebrenica itself. I guess that was the only place any Serbs ever committed any crimes.
Remarkable.
(DimTuc, 14 October 2010 18:11)"
My views have not changed. My point was this needs to be done while it is fresh in everyone's minds (especially the media). Of course I think other apologies are warranted, but let's not take away this opportunity just because it does not cover every past sin. Carpe Diem!
(Patrik, 14 October 2010 19:30)
(Denis, 14 October 2010 21:20)
How about them war crimes committed against Serbs in Kosovo? Murder, organ harvesting, expulsion, destruction of religious and cultural heritage.
I think Serbia has expressed enough apologies for war crimes committed by Serbs. Too bad no one in the region and indeed NATO is doing the same thing for Serb victims.
(Joe A, 15 October 2010 08:47)
"He called upon Croatia, Bosnia and the assembly in Priština to condemn the crimes committed against the Serb people, and NATO to apologize to Serbia, "as it apologized to Afghanistan several days ago". "
I found this formulation very amusing...the so called "the assembly in Priština" at the time of NATO bombing was nothing more and nothing less than the very Serbian regime that was brutally killing its own people. Yes, all killings should be condemned, but don't ask the post-independence Kosovo institutions to condemn what the very Serbian state did in 1999.
(Eugene, 14 October 2010 18:57)
Yes sure, condemn others but not yourself! You Serbs are the ones that should be apologizing! There were mass graves of bodies other than Serbs that serbian regime carried out in the 1990s. Be it in Bosnia or Kosovo. You have Mladic that the court is asking for and yet your protect. If you were not to do this, then NATO would not have bothered you! Simply pathetic.
(P32WE, 14 October 2010 19:00)
The reason NATO crimes were not mentioned is simply because this Tadic government hopes to join them one day.
They have never ruled that out and are showing signs of willingness. The only thing stopping them is the fact they would be crucified for it.
(Peggy, 15 October 2010 01:06)
No. What I am saying is that those who engage in introverted politics in Serbia show little understanding of how their attitude and behaviour has dragged Serbia down in the eyes of the world.
It is fine for nationalistically oriented politicians to keep trying to shift blame and responsibility. That is what I mean by self-justification. However, from the outside it just looks like they are compounding the mistakes of the past. Any nationalistic game playing looks inherently antagonistic - and so becomes counter productive.
The world is not going to be taken as fools anymore and it is on the lookout for regressive and retrograde behaviour. After three years of Bosnia was when the line was drawn - and there is no going back on that.
If this parliament truly had the heart to fully extend its introversions to include deep understanding of the pain of all victims, that would be impressive.
That understanding would include Serbs too. This is not about sides; they were all victims.
(Bob, 15 October 2010 02:39)
How about them war crimes committed against Serbs in Kosovo? Murder, organ harvesting, expulsion, destruction of religious and cultural heritage.
I think Serbia has expressed enough apologies for war crimes committed by Serbs. Too bad no one in the region and indeed NATO is doing the same thing for Serb victims.
(Joe A, 15 October 2010 08:47)
Please point me to any apology for war crimes that any Serb institution has made towards Kosova Albanians. I am very interested because I have yet to see one.
(johny, 16 October 2010 01:13)
"War crimes are always the same, regardless of the victims, and parliament should have opted for a single declaration to condemn all crimes,"
I agree, but this was not done, and justice was not given to those who suffered and lost loved ones. A declaration is not sufficient; action is needed and the only action was the transfer of all war criminal to the court, no matter if it is national or international. The only thing that I've heard through the years has been repeated ad nauseam by all, no matter if they are Croats, Albanians, Bosniaks, Kosovars or Serbs: we've done to them what they've done to us.
(Gladko, 14 October 2010 19:42)
I would lime to think that when I offer my thoughts on any subject , it will be balanced and based on an ideal and not an identity. Therefore if I can just say that this resolution is probably going to do more harm than good. The world will interpret this as a begrudging act that says "ok so we did some bad stuff , well you did some bad stuff to us , and we would like you to help us feel better about our own guilt."
Better not to have passed a resolution at all than one that is of absoltutely no benefit to anyone , including the reputation of Serbia. This was done to appease narrow minded nationalists. I hope Serbians see through this , they deserve better leadership. Lets call a spade a spade
(truthiness, 15 October 2010 07:32)