BELGRADE -- The DSS and SRS leaders have agreed in principle to cooperate after the elections and form a new government, says daily Blic.
Source: B92, Beta, Blic, Tanjug
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Earlier, the Serb Radical Party’s (SRS) deputy leader rejected a proposal by the Democratic Party of Serbia (DSS) to support the minority government.
Koštunica and Nikolić talked on Thursday and Friday. On Saturday, the prime minister announced that the present government could no longer function.
Blic writes that the most outspoken was New Serbia leader Velimir Ilić, who made it very clear that it would be senseless to form a government with the same forces as thus far.
Talking with B92, the SRS deputy leader denied that he and Koštunica had agreed on forming a government after the elections.
“I have not heard from him, nor spoken to him. There was only that short talk before the press conference when he explained what he would do, nothing more,” said Nikolić.
“Why should we, when we know that we will win on our own. There is no point thinking about coalitions until after the elections” the Radicals leader told B92.
Lončar: Koštunica right to dissolve government
Democratic Party of Serbia (DSS) MP Zoran Lončar said yesterday that the statements of President Boris Tadić (DS), Nenad Čanak (League of Vojvodina Social Democrats) and Mlađan Dinkić (LSV) justified the decision made by Prime Minister Vojislav Koštunica to dissolve the government.
“Čanak publicly declared that he believed Kosovo was independent, while Dinkić constantly repeats that we should renounce Kosovo’s debts, in other words, renounce Kosovo,” said Lončar.
According to the DSS MP, the about-turn in the DS’s policies would probably be followed by an immense propaganda campaign of how the country was threathened by self-isolation, which would instill fear among citizens.
“Propaganda about self-isolation is the most common fraud and deception of Serbian citizens. Which country in the world would choose self-isolation and why exactly would Serbia be the first to do so,” wondered Lončar.
The refrain goes "be allways on the side of your friends" By voting for the SRS you will be supported (not isolated) by Russia and China, that hold de biggest monetary reserves in the world (only Japan is ahead) and have No depts with the west money lenders institutions. Your OLD friends will not deceive you..but your new ones (Germany, France, US. England and Solana.. Will..
The benefits are inmense..and the EU will HAVE to reconsider and fast the Kosovo mistake!
(Ernst - Germany, 2 May 2008 15:54)
"To be clear, a vote for DSS is now a vote for an SRS government. Its plain to see how DSS voters here feel about this (they support it), now its time for other DSS voters to pick between SRS and DS. No more sitting on the fence."
I'm a DSS supporter and voter, and I think it's fine that the DSS will side with the SRS after the elections to form a government. This stand is much cleaner, and a government with mutual interests will be formed. Better than siding with those you disagree with. Don't you worry, DSS will make the census by the way.
"This gives DS a clear sign to look for partners elsewhere without wasting time courting Kostunica or his party once all the votes are tallied."
It doesn't matter because DS + G17 Plus won't be enough to form a government. Besides, DS already made it clear that they wouldn't side with LDP either. If need be, DSS will side with SRS... And if that isn't enough, they can side with SPS as well (assuming they make the census).
(Mike, 13 March 2008 05:04)
On a similar theme to Ianto, I am alittle confused why there is much debate about how the May elections will turn out. The presidential eleections resulted in a narrow victory for DS. I would assume that he got some votes from DSS which was supposedly neutral and would have had most of the LDP votes. The final round of voting was a 2 choice affair and I would assume (possibly incorrectly) that the first round of voting was more indicative of how the May elections will pan out. The first round of voting was not so disimilar to the elections in Feb 2007. What has really happened since then to change people's minds? Back in February everyone new that Kosovo would declare independence at some stage and that Serbia would be powerless to do anything about it. SRS, NS and DSS 1st priority is still Kosovo as it was in Feb 2007. DS and G17 priority is still EU as it was in Feb 2007. So can someone explain to me why it won't be SRS in coalition with a combination of DSS, NS, SPS? My 2 cents would be on SRS with both the NS and SPS because Kostunica has shown himself to have demands disproportionate to his popular vote and to be a difficult partner in government. But I understand nothing of the party leader personalities and even less about Serbian politics so I suspect I'm missing something fundamental.
(Mike, Dablin, 12 March 2008 10:25)
Here in Greece the jails are full of Albanian criminals.
Prior to border opening none locked their doors.
Now we are all with alarm systems, CCTV monitoring, burglar-proof smart houses, etc...
And this albanian has the *nerve* to invite a polite and civilized person to their snakepit.
(Pyrros, 11 March 2008 20:17)
Pyrros
Labeling nations as criminals is rude.
You guys have in jail many Albanians, Romanians, Russians, etc., but, is not fair to call their nations as criminal ones.
You have a nice "Epiriotis" name and most of Albanians that are in Greece are from the south of Albanian, so called from Greek propaganda as "Vorio Epirus", and Albanians that living there as "Vorio Epiriotis".Greek propaganda calls "vorio Epiriotis" simply Greek.
If you call these guys "Greeks"
does that mean that Greeks are all criminals, and if these guys are Albanians does that mean that "Vorio Epirus" is simply propaganda?
(moisi, 12 March 2008 07:45)
princip I'm not an ardent DS supporter I'm a supporter improving living standards, education, health and so on.
As you well know, the right in Serbia has no policies - unlike say the right in the UK which offers something, whether one agrees or not is another matter.
I'm just seeking the best for citizens of Serbia.
(bganon, 12 March 2008 00:00)
- wishful thinking from an ardent DS supporter who understands the full predicament that the EU 'friends' have placed upon the the DS!
Bganon, DSS-NS support is holding out and the electorate are more intelligent then you give them credit for! Sure the pollsters (many of whom funded by US and 'few' EU) will suggest otherwise but the 11th of May can't come soon enough for many Serbians who are fully behind Serbia in the EU as a whole or not at all!!! The benefit of doubt that many intelligent and well observing Serbian electorates made for Tadic's re-election is up and no-one will fall the 'US' inspired slogans that a vote for DSS is a vote for SRS - I guess the equivalent would be to say a vote for DS is a vote for dismemberment and humilation of Serbia and might aswell vote for the Cedomites!
(Princip, UK, 11 March 2008 21:36)
Tom,
I doubt you have any decent level of education about the Balkans. Your comments are not only pro-Serb, but they are actually anti-Albanian.
Take a trip to Albania; it might enlighten you a bit.
(Geni, 11 March 2008 17:38)
I'm sure Tom (as I do) feels the same way about you Geni. Tom come to Serbia instead, we won't steal your watch, better food, music etc and generally more polite people. ;)
To Albanians posters here, give it a break. We don't give a damn what you have to say let alone listen to your hilarious suggestions or "advice". If we did that we would already be slaves to the US and left with out any say in our own affairs. You can keep your policy of cuddling up with the biggest players, Serbs have spines and stick with their friends when the times are high and low.
(D82, 11 March 2008 21:17)
For my part, I am an Irishman who has taken the time over the last decade to educate myself about the Balkans and also to delve deeply into the operation of the EU.
(Tom O'Donoghue, 11 March 2008 15:22)
Tom,
Tom,
I think you just wasted ten years studying the Balkans.
Looks like you have a poor information about it.
(moisi, 11 March 2008 20:26)
Tom from Ireland,
Geni accused you of not knowing enuf of albania and invited you to Albania to "educate" yourself.
Here in Greece the jails are full of Albanian criminals.
Prior to border opening none locked their doors.
Now we are all with alarm systems, CCTV monitoring, burglar-proof smart houses, etc...
And this albanian has the *nerve* to invite a polite and civilized person to their snakepit.
(Pyrros, 11 March 2008 20:17)
Tom,
I doubt you have any decent level of education about the Balkans. Your comments are not only pro-Serb, but they are actually anti-Albanian.
Take a trip to Albania; it might enlighten you a bit.
(Geni, 11 March 2008 17:38)
SRS,DSS, SPS is the coalition/ formula that Serbian people deserve to of course if they vote that way. The will of the voters must be respected.
Whether this formula will bring any success or better life to Serbian voters it is hard to say. I have to say that many of the leader in those parties would remind voters of the past dark days of Serbia. While many voters have voted for them until now without thinking hard of the future this time I think that voters would have to think harder before they give the vote to someone since this time around their vote has a lot to do with their life directly, if you know what I mean, just like bganon said’ no more sitting in the fence”.
I sincerely hope that Serbia votes for EU and prosperity not otherwise.
(Olf, 11 March 2008 17:01)
"… it is only a matter of time before there is an "incident" and KFOR commander orders withdrawal from the demilitarized zone. We will be very happy about this…."
We know you would be very happy to finish off all Serbs . We understand perfectly well that our people are doomed if you decide their destiny. All of your "guaranties" are not worth paper which they are written on, it's all lip service, you are just weighting your time…
Be careful what you are wishing for, you might get it.
(Stevan, 11 March 2008 16:49)
I'm somewhat happy a DSS-SRS coalition was announced so early. It shows that Kostunica is no longer the wild card he was last time around and will throw his weight in with the national populists. This gives DS a clear sign to look for partners elsewhere without wasting time courting Kostunica or his party once all the votes are tallied.
(Mike, 11 March 2008 16:02)
Everybody who reads newspapers knows that Kosovo is backed by the USA and EU, and Serbia by Russia. The big difference is that Kosovo is completely dependent on the USA and EU, while Serbia only receives moral support from the Russians. The USA and EU have pledged their financial support to Kosovo, but what will happen if the economical crisis in the USA gets out of hand, spreads to the EU and both the USA and EU are unable to pump more Dollars and Euros into your mini state?
(Marco, Amsterdam, 11 March 2008 15:24)
Bruce,
I assume when you refer to "Irishmen" you mean me and possibly others.
Your remarks are so ill-informed as to be laughable but I will not dignify them with a response until you reveal where you are from yourself and any interests you may have in this debate.
For my part, I am an Irishman who has taken the time over the last decade to educate myself about the Balkans and also to delve deeply into the operation of the EU.
(Tom O'Donoghue, 11 March 2008 15:22)
Good for them, except they are trying to hide this from the rest of us.
To be clear, a vote for DSS is now a vote for an SRS government. Its plain to see how DSS voters here feel about this (they support it), now its time for other DSS voters to pick between SRS and DS. No more sitting on the fence.
And if some bright spark in DS campaign team keeps hammering home 'a vote for DSS is a vote for SRS' I think that DSS may have trouble making the census.
(bganon, 11 March 2008 14:42)
It's about time DS goes out of the picture. All they ever did is take orders from america and brussels. We need SRS to rebuild the Serb army.
(Ratko, 11 March 2008 14:35)
Kostunica played his double game far enough. SRS-DSS will lose the elections as serbian electorate understands that "THERE IS NOTHING" any government can do to bring Kosova back. The double weighted question. "EU or Kosovo" it's simply a fake and un-realistic question that was never put forward by EU or anyone, but is SRS-DSS that is making it up. With Kostunica siding with Radicals, makes the "cut" cleaner. There is no more middle ground like DSS was trying to hold, is either Radicals or Democrats. The hope and the general belief (considering last presidental elections) is that most Serbs do understand the reality. This is not about isolation like that during cold war (although for us Albanians that's what comes in mind). However spending political capital and energy fighting EU policies these days, is a formula for poverty and instability in Serbia. This is basically an internal problem of Serbia, but cynically one can say that "Weaker Serbia better for Kosova".
For you posters here, don't flatter yourselves by saying you don't need EU, in particular those that do live in EU. As for Kosova being dependent on EU or US, so are you dependent on Russia. The question is not about EU or Kosova, the question is about EU or Russia.
Take a pick.
(miri, 11 March 2008 14:18)
Loncar said: "Propaganda about self-isolation is the most common fraud and deception of Serbian citizens."
If you insist, than this has got to be the second "most common fraud and deception of Serbian citizens" since at the top of the list is the belief that Serbia can still inflict its will regarding independence of Kosova.
(miri, 11 March 2008 13:56)
It's great that Kostunica and the Radicals will enter into a coalition. If they win, and really take control of Ministry of Defence and of MUP, then it is only a matter of time before there is an "incident" and KFOR commander orders withdrawal from the demilitarised zone. We will be very happy about this.
(Memli, 11 March 2008 13:29)
1. Paradox that around the world all parties going to the elections are always too optimistic about their own prospects.
2. Some 20 European countries are not members of EU but they do not consider themselves to be isolated ! Some of them are not going to join the Union at all cause such a membership brings not only evident advantages but a lot of restrictions and dismerits too.
So it's good that the Serbs will have enough time to think over the vital choice they are to make. It's rather symbolic that the Serbs are making their choice on the eve of 1941 riot when everybody considered the state not to exist any longer. Everybody but the Serbs ...
(ДРУГ, 11 March 2008 13:26)
The result will be that only DSS-NS, SRS, LDP, DS-G17 re in parliament. It'll probably come down to whether LDP or DSS will get more seats (DSS will probably have a slight edge, but not much). It looks like a DSS-SRS government will. form. This is probably the democratic will of the Serbian people. This is a shame, as it will harm your country so much.
With regards to talk of isolation, I beleive that the EU should say nothing publucly about the Serbian elections. However, to beleive that the EU would be able to work with either the Radicals or Kostunica is silly. The EU will never deal with Kostunica again, and the SRS olicies would not be compatible with EU ones (both economic and political). There will be nothing to discuss, and the EU will have no reason to bother, as agreement will never be made.
I also cannot see how DSS could have formed a new coalition with their previous partners, so this new announcement is not a surprise (although it shows Kostunica's true Milosevic-ist colours). DS should not have formed a coalition with DSS in the first place, but Tadic was a bit spineless.
Oh, and I love seeing Irishmen being anti-EU. No other country has benefited more from the EU - Ireland has gone from one of the poorest to one of the richest EU countries in about 15 years (Bertie Ahern also can take credit), yet is still a net beneficiary (amazingly).
(Bruce, 11 March 2008 13:07)
That would be natural coalition after the elections. SRS indeed, do not have to make any pre-election coalition since SRS alone will win enough votes. They have very regular and increasing electorate. The DSS on the other hand will gain about the same percentage as the last time or slightly increase which will be enough to form the government with the radicals. But, if DS makes coalition with minorities, g17 and LDP then it could be quite tight.
(bmrusila, 11 March 2008 12:01)
This is a great opportunity to get Kostunica out of government and let him join the nationalists where he belongs - in opposition. This way Serbia can get ahead in the EU and then exert more pressure from the inside. Isolationist policies and hate rhetoric will only get the radicals into power and wont make any difference to the status of Kosovo.
(Sam, 11 March 2008 11:53)
These developments are all for the good. Positions are becoming clear and should become more so over the next 8 or 9 weeks. Velimir Ilic is right - a continuation of the present coalition arrangements would only mean continuing stagnation. If these possible realignments solidify, then the Serbian electorate will have a clear choice. Then, let the people decide.
By the way, is there any possibility that the word "isolation" could be banned for the duration of the campaign. I find that this word is just thrown out there as a scare tactic without any analysis of what it actually means. It is a substitute for real debate.
(Tom O'Donoghue, 11 March 2008 11:35)
“Propaganda about self-isolation is the most common fraud and deception of Serbian citizens. Which country in the world would choose self-isolation and why exactly would Serbia be the first to do so,” wondered Lončar
--
Yes, this needs to be neutralised as soon as possible. Serbia nor the EU will choose isolation no matter who wins. It is against the interests of all sides.
(ZK UK, 11 March 2008 11:23)
1. Paradox that around the world all parties going to the elections are always too optimistic about their own prospects.
2. Some 20 European countries are not members of EU but they do not consider themselves to be isolated ! Some of them are not going to join the Union at all cause such a membership brings not only evident advantages but a lot of restrictions and dismerits too.
So it's good that the Serbs will have enough time to think over the vital choice they are to make. It's rather symbolic that the Serbs are making their choice on the eve of 1941 riot when everybody considered the state not to exist any longer. Everybody but the Serbs ...
(ДРУГ, 11 March 2008 13:26)
These developments are all for the good. Positions are becoming clear and should become more so over the next 8 or 9 weeks. Velimir Ilic is right - a continuation of the present coalition arrangements would only mean continuing stagnation. If these possible realignments solidify, then the Serbian electorate will have a clear choice. Then, let the people decide.
By the way, is there any possibility that the word "isolation" could be banned for the duration of the campaign. I find that this word is just thrown out there as a scare tactic without any analysis of what it actually means. It is a substitute for real debate.
(Tom O'Donoghue, 11 March 2008 11:35)
“Propaganda about self-isolation is the most common fraud and deception of Serbian citizens. Which country in the world would choose self-isolation and why exactly would Serbia be the first to do so,” wondered Lončar
--
Yes, this needs to be neutralised as soon as possible. Serbia nor the EU will choose isolation no matter who wins. It is against the interests of all sides.
(ZK UK, 11 March 2008 11:23)
Bruce,
I assume when you refer to "Irishmen" you mean me and possibly others.
Your remarks are so ill-informed as to be laughable but I will not dignify them with a response until you reveal where you are from yourself and any interests you may have in this debate.
For my part, I am an Irishman who has taken the time over the last decade to educate myself about the Balkans and also to delve deeply into the operation of the EU.
(Tom O'Donoghue, 11 March 2008 15:22)
It's about time DS goes out of the picture. All they ever did is take orders from america and brussels. We need SRS to rebuild the Serb army.
(Ratko, 11 March 2008 14:35)
Tom from Ireland,
Geni accused you of not knowing enuf of albania and invited you to Albania to "educate" yourself.
Here in Greece the jails are full of Albanian criminals.
Prior to border opening none locked their doors.
Now we are all with alarm systems, CCTV monitoring, burglar-proof smart houses, etc...
And this albanian has the *nerve* to invite a polite and civilized person to their snakepit.
(Pyrros, 11 March 2008 20:17)
Everybody who reads newspapers knows that Kosovo is backed by the USA and EU, and Serbia by Russia. The big difference is that Kosovo is completely dependent on the USA and EU, while Serbia only receives moral support from the Russians. The USA and EU have pledged their financial support to Kosovo, but what will happen if the economical crisis in the USA gets out of hand, spreads to the EU and both the USA and EU are unable to pump more Dollars and Euros into your mini state?
(Marco, Amsterdam, 11 March 2008 15:24)
Tom,
I doubt you have any decent level of education about the Balkans. Your comments are not only pro-Serb, but they are actually anti-Albanian.
Take a trip to Albania; it might enlighten you a bit.
(Geni, 11 March 2008 17:38)
I'm sure Tom (as I do) feels the same way about you Geni. Tom come to Serbia instead, we won't steal your watch, better food, music etc and generally more polite people. ;)
To Albanians posters here, give it a break. We don't give a damn what you have to say let alone listen to your hilarious suggestions or "advice". If we did that we would already be slaves to the US and left with out any say in our own affairs. You can keep your policy of cuddling up with the biggest players, Serbs have spines and stick with their friends when the times are high and low.
(D82, 11 March 2008 21:17)
That would be natural coalition after the elections. SRS indeed, do not have to make any pre-election coalition since SRS alone will win enough votes. They have very regular and increasing electorate. The DSS on the other hand will gain about the same percentage as the last time or slightly increase which will be enough to form the government with the radicals. But, if DS makes coalition with minorities, g17 and LDP then it could be quite tight.
(bmrusila, 11 March 2008 12:01)
This is a great opportunity to get Kostunica out of government and let him join the nationalists where he belongs - in opposition. This way Serbia can get ahead in the EU and then exert more pressure from the inside. Isolationist policies and hate rhetoric will only get the radicals into power and wont make any difference to the status of Kosovo.
(Sam, 11 March 2008 11:53)
"… it is only a matter of time before there is an "incident" and KFOR commander orders withdrawal from the demilitarized zone. We will be very happy about this…."
We know you would be very happy to finish off all Serbs . We understand perfectly well that our people are doomed if you decide their destiny. All of your "guaranties" are not worth paper which they are written on, it's all lip service, you are just weighting your time…
Be careful what you are wishing for, you might get it.
(Stevan, 11 March 2008 16:49)
The result will be that only DSS-NS, SRS, LDP, DS-G17 re in parliament. It'll probably come down to whether LDP or DSS will get more seats (DSS will probably have a slight edge, but not much). It looks like a DSS-SRS government will. form. This is probably the democratic will of the Serbian people. This is a shame, as it will harm your country so much.
With regards to talk of isolation, I beleive that the EU should say nothing publucly about the Serbian elections. However, to beleive that the EU would be able to work with either the Radicals or Kostunica is silly. The EU will never deal with Kostunica again, and the SRS olicies would not be compatible with EU ones (both economic and political). There will be nothing to discuss, and the EU will have no reason to bother, as agreement will never be made.
I also cannot see how DSS could have formed a new coalition with their previous partners, so this new announcement is not a surprise (although it shows Kostunica's true Milosevic-ist colours). DS should not have formed a coalition with DSS in the first place, but Tadic was a bit spineless.
Oh, and I love seeing Irishmen being anti-EU. No other country has benefited more from the EU - Ireland has gone from one of the poorest to one of the richest EU countries in about 15 years (Bertie Ahern also can take credit), yet is still a net beneficiary (amazingly).
(Bruce, 11 March 2008 13:07)
Kostunica played his double game far enough. SRS-DSS will lose the elections as serbian electorate understands that "THERE IS NOTHING" any government can do to bring Kosova back. The double weighted question. "EU or Kosovo" it's simply a fake and un-realistic question that was never put forward by EU or anyone, but is SRS-DSS that is making it up. With Kostunica siding with Radicals, makes the "cut" cleaner. There is no more middle ground like DSS was trying to hold, is either Radicals or Democrats. The hope and the general belief (considering last presidental elections) is that most Serbs do understand the reality. This is not about isolation like that during cold war (although for us Albanians that's what comes in mind). However spending political capital and energy fighting EU policies these days, is a formula for poverty and instability in Serbia. This is basically an internal problem of Serbia, but cynically one can say that "Weaker Serbia better for Kosova".
For you posters here, don't flatter yourselves by saying you don't need EU, in particular those that do live in EU. As for Kosova being dependent on EU or US, so are you dependent on Russia. The question is not about EU or Kosova, the question is about EU or Russia.
Take a pick.
(miri, 11 March 2008 14:18)
- wishful thinking from an ardent DS supporter who understands the full predicament that the EU 'friends' have placed upon the the DS!
Bganon, DSS-NS support is holding out and the electorate are more intelligent then you give them credit for! Sure the pollsters (many of whom funded by US and 'few' EU) will suggest otherwise but the 11th of May can't come soon enough for many Serbians who are fully behind Serbia in the EU as a whole or not at all!!! The benefit of doubt that many intelligent and well observing Serbian electorates made for Tadic's re-election is up and no-one will fall the 'US' inspired slogans that a vote for DSS is a vote for SRS - I guess the equivalent would be to say a vote for DS is a vote for dismemberment and humilation of Serbia and might aswell vote for the Cedomites!
(Princip, UK, 11 March 2008 21:36)
It's great that Kostunica and the Radicals will enter into a coalition. If they win, and really take control of Ministry of Defence and of MUP, then it is only a matter of time before there is an "incident" and KFOR commander orders withdrawal from the demilitarised zone. We will be very happy about this.
(Memli, 11 March 2008 13:29)
Good for them, except they are trying to hide this from the rest of us.
To be clear, a vote for DSS is now a vote for an SRS government. Its plain to see how DSS voters here feel about this (they support it), now its time for other DSS voters to pick between SRS and DS. No more sitting on the fence.
And if some bright spark in DS campaign team keeps hammering home 'a vote for DSS is a vote for SRS' I think that DSS may have trouble making the census.
(bganon, 11 March 2008 14:42)
Tom,
I doubt you have any decent level of education about the Balkans. Your comments are not only pro-Serb, but they are actually anti-Albanian.
Take a trip to Albania; it might enlighten you a bit.
(Geni, 11 March 2008 17:38)
Loncar said: "Propaganda about self-isolation is the most common fraud and deception of Serbian citizens."
If you insist, than this has got to be the second "most common fraud and deception of Serbian citizens" since at the top of the list is the belief that Serbia can still inflict its will regarding independence of Kosova.
(miri, 11 March 2008 13:56)
SRS,DSS, SPS is the coalition/ formula that Serbian people deserve to of course if they vote that way. The will of the voters must be respected.
Whether this formula will bring any success or better life to Serbian voters it is hard to say. I have to say that many of the leader in those parties would remind voters of the past dark days of Serbia. While many voters have voted for them until now without thinking hard of the future this time I think that voters would have to think harder before they give the vote to someone since this time around their vote has a lot to do with their life directly, if you know what I mean, just like bganon said’ no more sitting in the fence”.
I sincerely hope that Serbia votes for EU and prosperity not otherwise.
(Olf, 11 March 2008 17:01)
I'm somewhat happy a DSS-SRS coalition was announced so early. It shows that Kostunica is no longer the wild card he was last time around and will throw his weight in with the national populists. This gives DS a clear sign to look for partners elsewhere without wasting time courting Kostunica or his party once all the votes are tallied.
(Mike, 11 March 2008 16:02)
princip I'm not an ardent DS supporter I'm a supporter improving living standards, education, health and so on.
As you well know, the right in Serbia has no policies - unlike say the right in the UK which offers something, whether one agrees or not is another matter.
I'm just seeking the best for citizens of Serbia.
(bganon, 12 March 2008 00:00)
On a similar theme to Ianto, I am alittle confused why there is much debate about how the May elections will turn out. The presidential eleections resulted in a narrow victory for DS. I would assume that he got some votes from DSS which was supposedly neutral and would have had most of the LDP votes. The final round of voting was a 2 choice affair and I would assume (possibly incorrectly) that the first round of voting was more indicative of how the May elections will pan out. The first round of voting was not so disimilar to the elections in Feb 2007. What has really happened since then to change people's minds? Back in February everyone new that Kosovo would declare independence at some stage and that Serbia would be powerless to do anything about it. SRS, NS and DSS 1st priority is still Kosovo as it was in Feb 2007. DS and G17 priority is still EU as it was in Feb 2007. So can someone explain to me why it won't be SRS in coalition with a combination of DSS, NS, SPS? My 2 cents would be on SRS with both the NS and SPS because Kostunica has shown himself to have demands disproportionate to his popular vote and to be a difficult partner in government. But I understand nothing of the party leader personalities and even less about Serbian politics so I suspect I'm missing something fundamental.
(Mike, Dablin, 12 March 2008 10:25)
"To be clear, a vote for DSS is now a vote for an SRS government. Its plain to see how DSS voters here feel about this (they support it), now its time for other DSS voters to pick between SRS and DS. No more sitting on the fence."
I'm a DSS supporter and voter, and I think it's fine that the DSS will side with the SRS after the elections to form a government. This stand is much cleaner, and a government with mutual interests will be formed. Better than siding with those you disagree with. Don't you worry, DSS will make the census by the way.
"This gives DS a clear sign to look for partners elsewhere without wasting time courting Kostunica or his party once all the votes are tallied."
It doesn't matter because DS + G17 Plus won't be enough to form a government. Besides, DS already made it clear that they wouldn't side with LDP either. If need be, DSS will side with SRS... And if that isn't enough, they can side with SPS as well (assuming they make the census).
(Mike, 13 March 2008 05:04)
Here in Greece the jails are full of Albanian criminals.
Prior to border opening none locked their doors.
Now we are all with alarm systems, CCTV monitoring, burglar-proof smart houses, etc...
And this albanian has the *nerve* to invite a polite and civilized person to their snakepit.
(Pyrros, 11 March 2008 20:17)
Pyrros
Labeling nations as criminals is rude.
You guys have in jail many Albanians, Romanians, Russians, etc., but, is not fair to call their nations as criminal ones.
You have a nice "Epiriotis" name and most of Albanians that are in Greece are from the south of Albanian, so called from Greek propaganda as "Vorio Epirus", and Albanians that living there as "Vorio Epiriotis".Greek propaganda calls "vorio Epiriotis" simply Greek.
If you call these guys "Greeks"
does that mean that Greeks are all criminals, and if these guys are Albanians does that mean that "Vorio Epirus" is simply propaganda?
(moisi, 12 March 2008 07:45)
The refrain goes "be allways on the side of your friends" By voting for the SRS you will be supported (not isolated) by Russia and China, that hold de biggest monetary reserves in the world (only Japan is ahead) and have No depts with the west money lenders institutions. Your OLD friends will not deceive you..but your new ones (Germany, France, US. England and Solana.. Will..
The benefits are inmense..and the EU will HAVE to reconsider and fast the Kosovo mistake!
(Ernst - Germany, 2 May 2008 15:54)
For my part, I am an Irishman who has taken the time over the last decade to educate myself about the Balkans and also to delve deeply into the operation of the EU.
(Tom O'Donoghue, 11 March 2008 15:22)
Tom,
Tom,
I think you just wasted ten years studying the Balkans.
Looks like you have a poor information about it.
(moisi, 11 March 2008 20:26)
Kostunica played his double game far enough. SRS-DSS will lose the elections as serbian electorate understands that "THERE IS NOTHING" any government can do to bring Kosova back. The double weighted question. "EU or Kosovo" it's simply a fake and un-realistic question that was never put forward by EU or anyone, but is SRS-DSS that is making it up. With Kostunica siding with Radicals, makes the "cut" cleaner. There is no more middle ground like DSS was trying to hold, is either Radicals or Democrats. The hope and the general belief (considering last presidental elections) is that most Serbs do understand the reality. This is not about isolation like that during cold war (although for us Albanians that's what comes in mind). However spending political capital and energy fighting EU policies these days, is a formula for poverty and instability in Serbia. This is basically an internal problem of Serbia, but cynically one can say that "Weaker Serbia better for Kosova".
For you posters here, don't flatter yourselves by saying you don't need EU, in particular those that do live in EU. As for Kosova being dependent on EU or US, so are you dependent on Russia. The question is not about EU or Kosova, the question is about EU or Russia.
Take a pick.
(miri, 11 March 2008 14:18)
Tom,
I doubt you have any decent level of education about the Balkans. Your comments are not only pro-Serb, but they are actually anti-Albanian.
Take a trip to Albania; it might enlighten you a bit.
(Geni, 11 March 2008 17:38)
This is a great opportunity to get Kostunica out of government and let him join the nationalists where he belongs - in opposition. This way Serbia can get ahead in the EU and then exert more pressure from the inside. Isolationist policies and hate rhetoric will only get the radicals into power and wont make any difference to the status of Kosovo.
(Sam, 11 March 2008 11:53)
Loncar said: "Propaganda about self-isolation is the most common fraud and deception of Serbian citizens."
If you insist, than this has got to be the second "most common fraud and deception of Serbian citizens" since at the top of the list is the belief that Serbia can still inflict its will regarding independence of Kosova.
(miri, 11 March 2008 13:56)
SRS,DSS, SPS is the coalition/ formula that Serbian people deserve to of course if they vote that way. The will of the voters must be respected.
Whether this formula will bring any success or better life to Serbian voters it is hard to say. I have to say that many of the leader in those parties would remind voters of the past dark days of Serbia. While many voters have voted for them until now without thinking hard of the future this time I think that voters would have to think harder before they give the vote to someone since this time around their vote has a lot to do with their life directly, if you know what I mean, just like bganon said’ no more sitting in the fence”.
I sincerely hope that Serbia votes for EU and prosperity not otherwise.
(Olf, 11 March 2008 17:01)
The result will be that only DSS-NS, SRS, LDP, DS-G17 re in parliament. It'll probably come down to whether LDP or DSS will get more seats (DSS will probably have a slight edge, but not much). It looks like a DSS-SRS government will. form. This is probably the democratic will of the Serbian people. This is a shame, as it will harm your country so much.
With regards to talk of isolation, I beleive that the EU should say nothing publucly about the Serbian elections. However, to beleive that the EU would be able to work with either the Radicals or Kostunica is silly. The EU will never deal with Kostunica again, and the SRS olicies would not be compatible with EU ones (both economic and political). There will be nothing to discuss, and the EU will have no reason to bother, as agreement will never be made.
I also cannot see how DSS could have formed a new coalition with their previous partners, so this new announcement is not a surprise (although it shows Kostunica's true Milosevic-ist colours). DS should not have formed a coalition with DSS in the first place, but Tadic was a bit spineless.
Oh, and I love seeing Irishmen being anti-EU. No other country has benefited more from the EU - Ireland has gone from one of the poorest to one of the richest EU countries in about 15 years (Bertie Ahern also can take credit), yet is still a net beneficiary (amazingly).
(Bruce, 11 March 2008 13:07)
It's great that Kostunica and the Radicals will enter into a coalition. If they win, and really take control of Ministry of Defence and of MUP, then it is only a matter of time before there is an "incident" and KFOR commander orders withdrawal from the demilitarised zone. We will be very happy about this.
(Memli, 11 March 2008 13:29)
For my part, I am an Irishman who has taken the time over the last decade to educate myself about the Balkans and also to delve deeply into the operation of the EU.
(Tom O'Donoghue, 11 March 2008 15:22)
Tom,
Tom,
I think you just wasted ten years studying the Balkans.
Looks like you have a poor information about it.
(moisi, 11 March 2008 20:26)
"… it is only a matter of time before there is an "incident" and KFOR commander orders withdrawal from the demilitarized zone. We will be very happy about this…."
We know you would be very happy to finish off all Serbs . We understand perfectly well that our people are doomed if you decide their destiny. All of your "guaranties" are not worth paper which they are written on, it's all lip service, you are just weighting your time…
Be careful what you are wishing for, you might get it.
(Stevan, 11 March 2008 16:49)
Good for them, except they are trying to hide this from the rest of us.
To be clear, a vote for DSS is now a vote for an SRS government. Its plain to see how DSS voters here feel about this (they support it), now its time for other DSS voters to pick between SRS and DS. No more sitting on the fence.
And if some bright spark in DS campaign team keeps hammering home 'a vote for DSS is a vote for SRS' I think that DSS may have trouble making the census.
(bganon, 11 March 2008 14:42)
I'm somewhat happy a DSS-SRS coalition was announced so early. It shows that Kostunica is no longer the wild card he was last time around and will throw his weight in with the national populists. This gives DS a clear sign to look for partners elsewhere without wasting time courting Kostunica or his party once all the votes are tallied.
(Mike, 11 March 2008 16:02)
Here in Greece the jails are full of Albanian criminals.
Prior to border opening none locked their doors.
Now we are all with alarm systems, CCTV monitoring, burglar-proof smart houses, etc...
And this albanian has the *nerve* to invite a polite and civilized person to their snakepit.
(Pyrros, 11 March 2008 20:17)
Pyrros
Labeling nations as criminals is rude.
You guys have in jail many Albanians, Romanians, Russians, etc., but, is not fair to call their nations as criminal ones.
You have a nice "Epiriotis" name and most of Albanians that are in Greece are from the south of Albanian, so called from Greek propaganda as "Vorio Epirus", and Albanians that living there as "Vorio Epiriotis".Greek propaganda calls "vorio Epiriotis" simply Greek.
If you call these guys "Greeks"
does that mean that Greeks are all criminals, and if these guys are Albanians does that mean that "Vorio Epirus" is simply propaganda?
(moisi, 12 March 2008 07:45)
Everybody who reads newspapers knows that Kosovo is backed by the USA and EU, and Serbia by Russia. The big difference is that Kosovo is completely dependent on the USA and EU, while Serbia only receives moral support from the Russians. The USA and EU have pledged their financial support to Kosovo, but what will happen if the economical crisis in the USA gets out of hand, spreads to the EU and both the USA and EU are unable to pump more Dollars and Euros into your mini state?
(Marco, Amsterdam, 11 March 2008 15:24)
On a similar theme to Ianto, I am alittle confused why there is much debate about how the May elections will turn out. The presidential eleections resulted in a narrow victory for DS. I would assume that he got some votes from DSS which was supposedly neutral and would have had most of the LDP votes. The final round of voting was a 2 choice affair and I would assume (possibly incorrectly) that the first round of voting was more indicative of how the May elections will pan out. The first round of voting was not so disimilar to the elections in Feb 2007. What has really happened since then to change people's minds? Back in February everyone new that Kosovo would declare independence at some stage and that Serbia would be powerless to do anything about it. SRS, NS and DSS 1st priority is still Kosovo as it was in Feb 2007. DS and G17 priority is still EU as it was in Feb 2007. So can someone explain to me why it won't be SRS in coalition with a combination of DSS, NS, SPS? My 2 cents would be on SRS with both the NS and SPS because Kostunica has shown himself to have demands disproportionate to his popular vote and to be a difficult partner in government. But I understand nothing of the party leader personalities and even less about Serbian politics so I suspect I'm missing something fundamental.
(Mike, Dablin, 12 March 2008 10:25)
The refrain goes "be allways on the side of your friends" By voting for the SRS you will be supported (not isolated) by Russia and China, that hold de biggest monetary reserves in the world (only Japan is ahead) and have No depts with the west money lenders institutions. Your OLD friends will not deceive you..but your new ones (Germany, France, US. England and Solana.. Will..
The benefits are inmense..and the EU will HAVE to reconsider and fast the Kosovo mistake!
(Ernst - Germany, 2 May 2008 15:54)
"To be clear, a vote for DSS is now a vote for an SRS government. Its plain to see how DSS voters here feel about this (they support it), now its time for other DSS voters to pick between SRS and DS. No more sitting on the fence."
I'm a DSS supporter and voter, and I think it's fine that the DSS will side with the SRS after the elections to form a government. This stand is much cleaner, and a government with mutual interests will be formed. Better than siding with those you disagree with. Don't you worry, DSS will make the census by the way.
"This gives DS a clear sign to look for partners elsewhere without wasting time courting Kostunica or his party once all the votes are tallied."
It doesn't matter because DS + G17 Plus won't be enough to form a government. Besides, DS already made it clear that they wouldn't side with LDP either. If need be, DSS will side with SRS... And if that isn't enough, they can side with SPS as well (assuming they make the census).
(Mike, 13 March 2008 05:04)
princip I'm not an ardent DS supporter I'm a supporter improving living standards, education, health and so on.
As you well know, the right in Serbia has no policies - unlike say the right in the UK which offers something, whether one agrees or not is another matter.
I'm just seeking the best for citizens of Serbia.
(bganon, 12 March 2008 00:00)
- wishful thinking from an ardent DS supporter who understands the full predicament that the EU 'friends' have placed upon the the DS!
Bganon, DSS-NS support is holding out and the electorate are more intelligent then you give them credit for! Sure the pollsters (many of whom funded by US and 'few' EU) will suggest otherwise but the 11th of May can't come soon enough for many Serbians who are fully behind Serbia in the EU as a whole or not at all!!! The benefit of doubt that many intelligent and well observing Serbian electorates made for Tadic's re-election is up and no-one will fall the 'US' inspired slogans that a vote for DSS is a vote for SRS - I guess the equivalent would be to say a vote for DS is a vote for dismemberment and humilation of Serbia and might aswell vote for the Cedomites!
(Princip, UK, 11 March 2008 21:36)
It's about time DS goes out of the picture. All they ever did is take orders from america and brussels. We need SRS to rebuild the Serb army.
(Ratko, 11 March 2008 14:35)
Bruce,
I assume when you refer to "Irishmen" you mean me and possibly others.
Your remarks are so ill-informed as to be laughable but I will not dignify them with a response until you reveal where you are from yourself and any interests you may have in this debate.
For my part, I am an Irishman who has taken the time over the last decade to educate myself about the Balkans and also to delve deeply into the operation of the EU.
(Tom O'Donoghue, 11 March 2008 15:22)
“Propaganda about self-isolation is the most common fraud and deception of Serbian citizens. Which country in the world would choose self-isolation and why exactly would Serbia be the first to do so,” wondered Lončar
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Yes, this needs to be neutralised as soon as possible. Serbia nor the EU will choose isolation no matter who wins. It is against the interests of all sides.
(ZK UK, 11 March 2008 11:23)
Tom from Ireland,
Geni accused you of not knowing enuf of albania and invited you to Albania to "educate" yourself.
Here in Greece the jails are full of Albanian criminals.
Prior to border opening none locked their doors.
Now we are all with alarm systems, CCTV monitoring, burglar-proof smart houses, etc...
And this albanian has the *nerve* to invite a polite and civilized person to their snakepit.
(Pyrros, 11 March 2008 20:17)
Tom,
I doubt you have any decent level of education about the Balkans. Your comments are not only pro-Serb, but they are actually anti-Albanian.
Take a trip to Albania; it might enlighten you a bit.
(Geni, 11 March 2008 17:38)
I'm sure Tom (as I do) feels the same way about you Geni. Tom come to Serbia instead, we won't steal your watch, better food, music etc and generally more polite people. ;)
To Albanians posters here, give it a break. We don't give a damn what you have to say let alone listen to your hilarious suggestions or "advice". If we did that we would already be slaves to the US and left with out any say in our own affairs. You can keep your policy of cuddling up with the biggest players, Serbs have spines and stick with their friends when the times are high and low.
(D82, 11 March 2008 21:17)
1. Paradox that around the world all parties going to the elections are always too optimistic about their own prospects.
2. Some 20 European countries are not members of EU but they do not consider themselves to be isolated ! Some of them are not going to join the Union at all cause such a membership brings not only evident advantages but a lot of restrictions and dismerits too.
So it's good that the Serbs will have enough time to think over the vital choice they are to make. It's rather symbolic that the Serbs are making their choice on the eve of 1941 riot when everybody considered the state not to exist any longer. Everybody but the Serbs ...
(ДРУГ, 11 March 2008 13:26)
That would be natural coalition after the elections. SRS indeed, do not have to make any pre-election coalition since SRS alone will win enough votes. They have very regular and increasing electorate. The DSS on the other hand will gain about the same percentage as the last time or slightly increase which will be enough to form the government with the radicals. But, if DS makes coalition with minorities, g17 and LDP then it could be quite tight.
(bmrusila, 11 March 2008 12:01)
These developments are all for the good. Positions are becoming clear and should become more so over the next 8 or 9 weeks. Velimir Ilic is right - a continuation of the present coalition arrangements would only mean continuing stagnation. If these possible realignments solidify, then the Serbian electorate will have a clear choice. Then, let the people decide.
By the way, is there any possibility that the word "isolation" could be banned for the duration of the campaign. I find that this word is just thrown out there as a scare tactic without any analysis of what it actually means. It is a substitute for real debate.
(Tom O'Donoghue, 11 March 2008 11:35)