Dutch state found liable over Srebrenica deaths
The appeals chamber of a Dutch court in The Hague has confirmed that the Netherlands is in part liable over the deaths of 300 Muslims killed in Srebrenica.
Source: B92
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Who gives a hoot about the Bosnian muslims.
(, 29 June 2017 07:27) -
Do you guys understand the court said they bear responsabillaty for not stoping it still doesnt change the fact that serbs pulled the trigger. So according to you serbs since the un peace keepers didnt interfer or nato didnt bomb the seebs that legatimizes the killings? Just to clarify it for you yes civilians got killed in srebrenoca massacre by serbs forces and the dutch court showed the courage and took responsabilaty for their part of not stoping the killings when they knew what would happen to these people when they left. Yes the UN should have done something to stop it and nato learned a lot of this. Thats why they had to interfer in Kosova they could not affort another srebrenica.
(, 28 June 2017 19:44) -
When did the West attempt to pin genocide on Serbs, dear?! Or is that just a fantasy of yours?!
(icj1, 28 June 2017 14:41)
What fantasies are you talking about? Are you hearing voices? Now when did the Serbs try and pin genocide on icj1?
When was genocide pinned on the Netherlands and the UN, by their own admission, dear? Or is that just another fantasy of yours?! It appears your had a very active night full of dreams...
(icj1, 28 June 2017 14:41)
More voices about fantasies of pinning genocide on icj1? Are you also suffering dreams about Serbs pinning all this on the Netherlands? With such active dreams you must seek urgent help.
Sure, sure... we've been hearing that for decades lol But as long as you're happy, I'm happy for you. We all want happy contributors in these forums.
(icj1, 28 June 2017 14:41)
Now you hear happy voices for a decade. Do you always listen to those voices who tell you about genocide? But what are they telling you? To be happy or sad? This is most disturbing to see such a fluctuation of sadness then happiness.
(, 28 June 2017 16:02) -
Going back to the article, the West attempted to pin genocide on Serbs but it looks to have backfired.
(Zoran, 28 June 2017 12:15)
When did the West attempt to pin genocide on Serbs, dear?! Or is that just a fantasy of yours?!
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Now it has been pinned on the Netherlands and the UN, by their own admission.
(Zoran, 28 June 2017 12:15)
When was genocide pinned on the Netherlands and the UN, by their own admission, dear? Or is that just another fantasy of yours?! It appears your had a very active night full of dreams....
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The western alliance is falling apart as their allies are beginning to poke each other's eyes, the EU falling apart and western interventions failing. Karma in action.
(Zoran, 28 June 2017 12:15)
Sure, sure... we've been hearing that for decades lol But as long as you're happy, I'm happy for you. We all want happy contributors in these forums.
(, 28 June 2017 14:41) -
Tit for Tat, everyone is guilty and no one more so than the politicians who let it all happen.
(, 28 June 2017 12:54) -
people do bring evidence up against non-Bosnian Serbs but for some reason or other, witnesses always go missing
(Raisin Scone, 28 June 2017 11:49)
Actually "Raisin Scone", the main reason that Serbs from Serbia who are suspected of war crimes are not prosecuted is because they are protected by the Serbian government.
There is certainly intimidation of witnesses, for instance Seselj intimidating former party members who now refuse to testify in the ICTY.
The government has the evidence already but then under-staffs or uses staff rotation to slow everything down, maybe even so slow as until the statute of limitations expires or witnesses move away or die.
Government war-criminals are also protected much more than civilian war-criminals.
In a normal system the government would not bring a case until they are confident that the defendant will be found guilty.
In Serbia, they don't prosecute a Serbian war-criminal until they are confident that he will be found innocent. (Of course the witness intimidation and sabotage of prosecution etc are also true in other ex-Yu countries)
(, 28 June 2017 12:24) -
I encourage the West to stop dragging its feet when it comes to prosecuting crimes against Serbs. Otherwise Serbia will be lost to Russia completely.
(Raisin Scone, 28 June 2017 11:49)
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The West will always protect their war criminals so I wouldn't hold your breath. Dwight is too far gone with the brain washing so no hope there either.
Going back to the article, the West attempted to pin genocide on Serbs but it looks to have backfired. Now it has been pinned on the Netherlands and the UN, by their own admission. It is time for the Bosnian Muslims to bring a genocide suit against them. That will be fun to watch.
The western alliance is falling apart as their allies are beginning to poke each other's eyes, the EU falling apart and western interventions failing. Karma in action.
(, 28 June 2017 12:15) -
Most war crimes were committed by Bosnian Serbs, that is why there are most indictments against Bosnian Serbs. If you have evidence that some one who is guilty of a war crime and is free, then contact a lawyer.
(Dwight, 28 June 2017 10:56)
Actually "Dwight", people do bring evidence up against non-Bosnian Serbs but for some reason or other, witnesses always go missing. They tend to die of accidents or something bizarre that defy probability. Further, I think the Clintons and all of their cronies believe Serbs' lives are meaningless. As Albright once said, "Disgusting Serbs". I encourage the West to stop dragging its feet when it comes to prosecuting crimes against Serbs. Otherwise Serbia will be lost to Russia completely.
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(Lenards Clone, 28 June 2017 10:48)
First you have to find the so called 8000 supposedly killed by the Serbs since so far less than 4000 are buried in Potocari and most of those are not from Srebrenica but other fronts. As a matter of interest even in the year 7892 they will still be burying bones in Potocari claiming they are from Srebrenica. There is no end to this Srebrenica BS, but the west does not care since the Bosniaks are no longer of any use.
Lenny, no forget Croat killings of Bosniaks in central Bosnia when they locked Bosniaks in cellars and burn their houses down. You forgot that one, didn’t you LOL.
Second the Bosniaks apologise for murdering Serbs around Srebrenica and not just a half-arsed reply of OIric was not in command BS, then the US and their allies apologise for murdering more than 200,000 Iraqis during the last invasion and subsequent loss of human life and say ‘WE ARE SORRY', then come to our doorstep asking for an apology.
(, 28 June 2017 11:29) -
Amazing how practically no Croats or Muslims (or Albanians for that matter) were convicted of war crimes against Serbs, only those against Croats or Muslims and somehow we are supposed to believe the NATO court is impartial.
(Zoran, 27 June 2017 23:55)
You don't believe that ICTY court is impartial because 20 years ago someone wanted you to fight a war for them so they filled your head full of lies about 3000 Serbs being massacred and mutilated by Jihadis, Turks and Bosniak traitors.
When the truth comes out that it was much less and mostly soldiers in battle you get upset.
When it turns out that most problems were caused by Karadzic treating non-Serb civilians like an insect infestation, you don't like it.
Most war crimes were committed by Bosnian Serbs, that is why there are most indictments against Bosnian Serbs. If you have evidence that some one who is guilty of a war crime and is free, then contact a lawyer.
(, 28 June 2017 10:56) -
The Srebrenica GENOCIDE must never ever be forgotten. The sadistic, cruel, torturous, drug fueled Serbian animals who committed these atrocities on innocent men must pay for their sins. In the interest of the region we all hope that Serbia's gay prime minister will bow to the mothers of Srebrenica and say ' WE SERBS ARE SORRY'
(, 28 June 2017 10:48) -
Poor crazy delusional war criminal Serbs are responsible for even the deaths of Serbs. The region of Srebrenica in the Bosnia Drina river region was overwhelming Bosniak. Pathetic Serbs murdered, raped, stole destroyed ,ethnic cleansed the hole region of Bosniak unarmed civilians. The bombardment of the Drina region came across from criminal pariah Serbia. Then war criminal Serbs crossed from Serbia in to Bosnia committing heinous war crimes on civilians not seen in Europe since WW 2. Like the Serb war criminal Karadzic said in one of his lucid moments. If it wasn't for Serbia nothing would of happened in Bosnia. Serbia thought it got away with its many criminality's their will be a day of reckoning. Serbs will be the biggest losers par non.
(, 28 June 2017 07:52) -
Bert-Jan you pathetic hypocrite, monster face. Same picture being used over and over over in the media. How many people were found guilty or tried for atrocities against Serbs? Who protected Serbians? They were massacred, their innocent lives cut short
brutally by disgusting humans. Even massacred by Croatians in Medan Poket under the watchful eye of a Western army sent there specifically to protect Serbian villagers. You protect terrorists.Aren't you lucky to be enjoying the fresh air and sun while innocent Serbians lie cold in the ground. Bleeding hearts, may you continue to have bleeding hearts in the West till none of you are left!!!!!!!!!
(, 28 June 2017 06:03) -
"Nobody could even think that genocide could happen in Europe in 1995," said Bert-Jan Houtzagers, the Netherlands' legal representative.
Obviously they underestimated what some savage members of the VRS were capable of!
(, 28 June 2017 03:10) -
I know Dwight, there was no evidence that anyone of any significance ordered the killing of Serb civilians. Amazing how practically no Croats or Muslims (or Albanians for that matter) were convicted of war crimes against Serbs, only those against Croats or Muslims and somehow we are supposed to believe the NATO court is impartial.
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(Zoran, 27 June 2017 18:02)
I dont see anything in that article that contradicts my number of 300 civilians killed.
In fact the article seems to a bit disjointed and quotes two different numbers, first "1,500 Serb civilians and soldiers", next "over 3,000 Serbs"
Generally accepted numbers are that forces that Oric commanded killed about 1000 Serbs of which maybe 300 were civilians.
The ICTY found that in cases where killing of civilians were considered war crimes, Oric did not order it, nor had control of the situation.
Not a nice guy at all but you are just inventing numbers.
(, 27 June 2017 20:41) -
According to Republika Srpska themselves, a maximum of 300 civilians were killed during attacks by Oric.
(Dwight, 27 June 2017 17:14)
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So you admit that Oric killed 300 civilians and yet he is a free man? There you have it, the reason why we Serbs know the NATO court in the Hague is biased.
However, many disagree with your number. Check -> [link]
"In the period from 1992 to 1995, more than 150 villages in the area of Bratunac and Srebrenica were systematically destroyed and burnt, and over 3,000 Serbs were killed."
So 150 villages were destroyed and yet only 300 civilians died. You are full of BS. I think someone intentionally left off a zero.
(, 27 June 2017 18:02) -
Netherlands is not complicit, they signed an agreement with Mladic and the Bosnian Muslim civic representative. Maybe Canadian General Mackenzie should also be brought charges for actually fulfilling the UN mandated peacekeeping role. Instead of charging the real criminals, the United States and Bosnian Muslim government pulled its forces out of Srebrenica to set up the fake genocide.
Where are the war crime charges against the Croatian and US military which killed nine UN peacekeepers and crossed over the UN Mandated border posts?
As Mikos Theodorakis said, it's now the "law of the jungle", there is no such thing as "international law".
(, 27 June 2017 17:31) -
"that's why Oric was allowed to kill several thousand Serbs from the UN protected area and return safely."
For anyone that wants to see how Milosevic and comrades destroyed a generation of Serbs, look no further than Zoran.
He still believes propaganda spread by Milosevic, Seselj etc from 20 years ago
These numbers were spread by propaganda outlets for a short time 20 years ago to get people to support the war. No official source even in Serbia or RS would say this now.
According to Republika Srpska themselves, a maximum of 300 civilians were killed during attacks by Oric.
(, 27 June 2017 17:14) -
I must agree everyone on this planet and beyond is to be blamed for Genocide,War Crimes and Crimes against Humanity....
Except for the perpetrators the infamous Serbs
Attacking Slovenia 🇸🇮
Attacking Croatia 🇭🇷
Attacking Bosnia 🇧🇦
Attacking Kosova🇽🇰
I can't see why Serbs would be blamed for anything?!?!
Ps The Hague is saturated with convicted Serb SCUM.
(, 27 June 2017 16:17) -
They couldn't force the Serbs to believe in the Srebrenica genocide BS and now they blame the Netherlands UN contingent LOL. Its very funny that an institution established by the west to blame and punish the Serbs now has one of its own entangled.
(, 27 June 2017 15:30) -
NL VPRO programme Argos claimed to found evidence that there was a secret deal between the US, the UK and France not to send air support in case the enclave was attacked. The Dutch government nor any other ally was informed about this. Dutchbat asked 9 times for air support and the Dutch government did this twice.
(Joe A, 27 June 2017 13:52)
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They did that because they knew a massacre would occur and they wanted it to occur. That's why Oric was allowed to kill several thousand Serbs from the UN protected area and return safely. Srebrenica was sacrificed and now the Netherlands and the UN, by self admission, are guilty of genocide with the help of the UK, US and Bosnian Muslim leadership.
This has been known for a long time. Check -> [link]
(, 27 June 2017 14:34) -
The Netherlands should be suspended from the EU until it finds, arrests, and sends all Dutch peacekeeping officers to the Hague for war crimes.
(, 27 June 2017 14:10) -
Europe will not have an army.
Europe will not build gas pipelines.
Europe will continue to increase holdings of US dollars.
Europe will not collude with Russia or other competitors.
By order of management.
(, 27 June 2017 14:00) -
@Zoran,
Don't try and spin it the other way round, we all know that the Serbs did genocid in Srebrenica no matter what you say the world knows about your crazy past.
(, 27 June 2017 13:53) -
Contrary to what Zoran says, the court did not decide that NL is responsible for genocide, only that they are partially liable for the 300 men that were sent away. That does not mean that NL is responsible for killing them.
On another note, some of the Dutchbat men are suing the NL state because several months ago, the minister of Defense admitted that Dutchbar was send on an "impossible mission" (duh, everybody knew that).
On yet another note, two journalists from the NL VPRO programme Argos claimed to found evidence that there was a secret deal between the US, the UK and France not to send air support in case the enclave was attacked. The Dutch government nor any other ally was informed about this. Dutchbat asked 9 times for air support and the Dutch government did this twice. [link] (scroll down for English).
In the end, the enclave and its people living there was abandoned by the international community. Nothing that Dutch bat could have done would have avoided the tragedy that happened there.
(, 27 June 2017 13:52) -
Wow, there you have it. Serbs obviously deny that genocide occurred as we see it as a political decision but it will be difficult for the Netherlands to deny, as this was a decision made by a court based there.
So this decision means the Netherlands and UN are responsible for genocide by their own admission. Perhaps they shouldn't have allowed Bosnian Muslim murderers (lead by Oric) out of the UN protected area to massacre Serbian civilians around the region and then to return back to the safety of the UN protected area. What made it even worse is these massacres happened on religious holidays.
The Netherlands and UN, by their own admission, are responsible for genocide. Time for the Bosnian Muslims to sue both. That is a positive development...
(, 27 June 2017 12:52)