1. Even when off-topic, here some facts in order to compare large countries like Iraq with some tiny strips in Caucasus

    Population of Iraq:
    29 200 000 (including several different peoples with different faiths, terrorist attacks by Al-Quaida)

    Population of South Ossetia:
    75 000 (mostly homogenous, thanks to ethnic cleansing by Russians and Ossetians)

    Size of Iraq
    440 000 sqkm (including vast deserts and large cities, like the million city Baghdad)

    Size of South Ossetia
    3 500 sqkm (practically some rocks, 30 000p village)

    Distance US-Iraq:
    9000 km (logistically large efforts)

    Distance Georgia-Russia:
    0 km (border country)

    Other offtopic area:

    Number of countries recognizing Kosovo:
    47

    Number of countries recognizing Abkazia/SO states:
    2

    Cheers!
    (Berkeley, 5 October 2008 18:10)
  2. Joe,

    1) If you are here to bash Russia, I am pretty immune to that, I do the same. The difference is, some have more reason to do, some less. But it is a good idea to remember Cyrano and also a famous saying: "Quod Licet Jovi..." ;-)

    2) You will do yourself a service to visit Russia and Serbia. It looks like you are on some kind of crusade against both. Why not face your so-called "enemies"? Maybe you fear, you would lose the "enemy-picture"?

    The only your statement from what you say is correct: indeed, I speak both Hungarian and Russian at "mother-tongue level", without any accent and grammar issues. But I have a family and given name which sounds rather Irish-American, than Russian or Hungarian. But I am not Irish. Otherwise - FYI - the nick "Ataman" is a hint to what I am doing for living, not to political or ethnic preferences. Sorry to disappoint you. Besides, this topic is not about my person.

    Cheers!
    (Ataman, 5 October 2008 11:48)
  3. Berkeley

    Neither can the US in Iraq and Afghanistan as well.
    (Peter Sudyka, 4 October 2008 20:34)
  4. Ataman,

    As you once admitted your mother tongue is Russian and you are basically Russian. So it it understandable that you are so sensitive to any bad news or criticism about Russia. But be prepared. Because of its behavior your dear Russia will encounter more of this type of losses and will not have a large group of friends except the type of countries like Venezuela et Nigaragua.
    (Joe, 4 October 2008 19:55)
  5. 1) "What a desaster for the Russian occupation"
    (Berkeley, 4 October 2008 14:48)

    There are no Russians in Iraq, sorry.

    2) "Moscow is loosing more and more ground in the world"
    (Berkeley, 4 October 2008 14:48)

    Moscow? How come, Moscow is a small city in New Hampshire. The capital of the country is Washington, DC

    3) "Even the closest friends don't recognize those puppet states"
    (Berkeley, 4 October 2008 14:48)

    Totally agree, Israel, the closest friend did not recognize "Republic of Kosovo" or whatever the name of that puppet is.

    4) "Cannot secure even its own backyard"
    (Berkeley, 4 October 2008 14:48)

    Indeed, the "green zone" in Baghdad was never really secure and speaking really about it's own backyard... some (in)famous cases look like insider job, totally bogus from engineering point of view.

    OOOOOPS! SORRY! I just noticed, you are speaking about Russia, not USA. In that case I still do agree with you, with one exception: there are no "occupation forces" in South Ossetia, just UN-mandated "peacekeepers", who "by a mere coincidence" happen to be Russian forces. You know, like UN-mandated KFOR at Camp Bondsteel, who by a mere coincidence are Americans.

    Welcome to the "new reality" of 21st Century: you either find a big enough butt to kiss - or invest big enough in Plutonium research.
    (Ataman, 4 October 2008 17:21)
  6. What a desaster for the Russian occupation. Moscow is loosing more and more ground in the world and in the Caucasus. Even the closest friends don't recognize those puppet states, whereas support for Georgia is raising. This attack on the occupation forces just proofed that Russia cannot secure even its own backyard.
    (Berkeley, 4 October 2008 14:48)