PRIŠTINA -- An influential Kosovo Albanian journalist says there are signs Kosovo's status "could be frozen".
Source: Tanjug
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He said the reasons for this turn of events should be sought "in the non-existent foreign policy of Kosovo, which comes as a consequence of the Kosovo institutions' lack of work", rather than in international obstacles.
Surroi sees the north of Kosovo as having elements similar to those found in the frozen conflicts in the former Soviet Union regions, Priština-based RTK television reported.
PRN:
> BTW, I am repeating FOR THE LAST TIME, that I know much more people that check B92 news/read-comments that you may think.
If we are to take you at your word, then you have some sort of 'fan base' that all happens to be on-line shortly after you post a comment.
And this 'fan base', strangely enough, only seems to think your comments are worthy of recomendation, irrespective of allegience.
And this 'fan base' isn't just a few people.. if you are to be believed, we're talking about something on the order of up to 50 people.
Do you see just how unlikely a proposition this is 'PRN'?
If you really want to be taken seriously youngster, then start acting like a grown-up, or you will find that more & more people will simply ignore you, & more importantly - ignore what you have to say.
And that would be a shame.
(peter, sydney, 30 August 2008 09:04)
(peter, sydney, 27 August 2008 17:18),
&
(dd, 27 August 2008 20:13)
Dear Peter and 'dd',
I think you care more about quantity of my reccommendation rather than with the quality of comment.
It is a shame and very childish from you both. I never look at reccommendation because I dont care, and moreover they do not represent a qualitative comment anyway.
BTW, I am repeating FOR THE LAST TIME, that I know much more people that check B92 news/read-comments that you may think. Do you think I should worry whether they like my comments or recommend???
(PRN, 28 August 2008 15:00)
With the Russians actions recently the Serbs must understand that they don't really have a natural friend in the world so the best thing to do is, sit in the negotiation table as two good neighbours for the good interest of Serbs in Kosovo and Albanians in Preshevo valley.the only countries that have sided with Serbia are countries with their own problems in regard to self-determination of nations.Are countries with problems of their own your friends
(pleurat, 27 August 2008 20:52)
100 % with you on this one.
I had post ready to send of similar content re: # of self-recommendations PRN is able to post in the record time.
This is realy the "UNIQUE CASE - PRN only" - all rights reserved.
(dd, 27 August 2008 20:13)
PRN:
> Everything I say is fully documented, and backed up by millions of historical evidences and ANY individual smart enough can confirm my claims by reading unbiased documents from international historians.
Don't usually bother to reply to or even read what you've written these days as is usually a waste of my time. But since you are defending your 'credibility', will make an exception.
Tell me please, how is it that in the space of a couple of hours since your above post (#49) appeared, you have managed to garner more recommendations (21 as I am writing this) on one of yesterdays topics, than anyone else has managed to receive for any of todays current topics (with the exception of yourself of course)?
Are you really so insecure in your 'opinions' that you believe that in order to gain respect from your peers, you need all those 'self-recommendations?
Most of the people who comment on this site are fairly intelligent. Do you really believe that they don't see through you?
(peter, sydney, 27 August 2008 17:18)
We do not care, after all what Serbia does, because Kosovo future NEVER again will be dependent from Serbia. We depend, from the for the time being, only on progressive democracies.
It is still part of Serbia ,read UNSRC 1244,it is de facto an occupied part of Southern Serbia and you know that,that`s why you are coming on Serbian sites.
(CG, 27 August 2008 14:47)
Dear PRN,
You are so short-sighted, that you simply forget that there is no history backing you up on this one: Kosovo, Serbia (your country), S.O. and A. belonging to G.... all of them have to learn to listen to the voices abroad. So far only Serbia did... Are we happy about it? - No, not really, as we learnt, long time ago that we are a small country - did you all exercise the same discipline, by any chance?
(and, 27 August 2008 09:52)
Dear "and"
Everything I say is fully documented, and backed up by millions of historical evidences and ANY individual smart enough can confirm my claims by reading unbiased documents from international historians.
(PRN, 27 August 2008 14:44)
Do you know the answer and are afraid of it?
(marko, 26 August 2008 23:13)
Marko: Serbian FMA never mentioned GEORGIA. It needs to me more clear and unambiguous in that.
However, you got my personal opinion- Yes.
About official Pristina: I don’t know what they will do but certainly I would be inclined to wait that Russia recognise Kosova first and withdraw the veto in UNSC and than recognise SO- I would be very very careful in the case of Abkhazia since it was Georgians that were ethnically cleansed there and the ethnic equilibrium was broken by force- same that Serbia wanted to do in Kosova in 1999.
So SO yes, Abkhazia NO.
(ben, 27 August 2008 12:11)
Dear PRN,
You are so short-sighted, that you simply forget that there is no history backing you up on this one: Kosovo, Serbia (your country), S.O. and A. belonging to G.... all of them have to learn to listen to the voices abroad. So far only Serbia did... Are we happy about it? - No, not really, as we learnt, long time ago that we are a small country - did you all exercise the same discipline, by any chance?
(and, 27 August 2008 09:52)
AS TIA:
> Mathematicly there have been 8 recognitions per month since indipendence was declared. With this rate after one year Kosovo is going to be a state for 142 countries.
Using this logic, one could also say the following:
Since 17 countries recognised UDI in the first week, all 192 countries should have recognised by about the 6th of May, 2008...
Or, since 26 countries recognised UDI in the first month, 164 countries should have recognised by now etc.
Reality is that as time goes on, fewer countries will recognise.
In the first 3 months, 40 countries recognised. In the following 3 months - just 5. And during the present quarter, count stands at 1.
> Long time but worth the wait.
The 'wait' will be longer than you think.. a lot longer... or as the title of this article says....
"Kosovo's status freezing".
(peter, sydney, 27 August 2008 06:28)
"It's over, for every Albanian that dies five are born. Albanians have waited a long time and are in no rush.
(Alban, 27 August 2008 00:42)"
Serbs never coveted Slovenian land. This is why the the JNA left without any serious altercations. Serbs have no significant historical or cultural roots in Slovenia. On the other hand, Kosovo is Srbija, now and forever.
Demographics always shift and change throughout history, and all I am saying is that certain factors will influence demographics in Kosovo which will be more favourable for Serbian interests.
In regards to Serbs wishing Albans to leave Kosovo, you need to ask yourself why this is so. Have you people done all you can to integrate into Serbian society throughout history, and have you been loyal to Yugoslav/Serbian citizens. History shows you haven't.
Albans need to learn from our Roma and other minorities on how to successfully integrate into Serbian society, otherwise eternal conflict will result since Kosovo is the eternal home and Jerusalem of Serbs.
As Kennedy implied, you need to change your historical attitude about what Serbia should do for you, or what you can get from it, and instead ask: "what can I do for my country?" Your country is Serbia whether you like it or not.
The fact is that sheer power and force of will is what determines outcomes in the Balkans. Serbia is more powerful than Albania both militarily and economically, and this will not change for a very long time. It is unwise to bang your head against a wall as the Universal Serbian sentiment is that Kosovo je Srbija. The sooner you realize this, the sooner you will lift yourselves out of abject poverty.
The question now is since your politicians have put you in this dire predicament, how can we organize the funds and political will to resettle you throughout Europe so that you can start a new and happy life for once. The west can truly help Albans with this focus instead of applying “band-aid” solutions to cultural/geographical difficiencies that exist in Kosovo. Kosovo does not have any of the essential and necesssary resources that nation-states need in order to survive.
(tesla, 27 August 2008 06:25)
well here is my take n surroi's message: i agee that the new republic of kosova needs a strong and assertive (not aggressive)foreign policy, in conjunction with its democratic allies, to counter certain aggressive and invasive neighbors. i've said this before myself -- THey have their harvard-educated propagandist running around the world at a dizzying rate -- hey, if its good for the goose, it is good for the gander. the same thing with the court case -- there needs to be a variety of actions against belgrade in the world court for actions committed over the last decade. it is not for me to design and engineer this or these lawsuits, but it is time to get a move on... and it is time to put pressure, big-time, on belgrade to locate, and exhume (?) the bodies of some 2,000 still missing albanians from kosovo/a -- i am sick of the hurry up and wait, as are some thousands of families.
from critics of any nationality or ethnicity, we need to take what is appropriate and valid, and discard what is merely self-serving.
thank you.
roberto
frisco/sarajevo
robertoruss@yahoo.com
(roberto, 27 August 2008 02:55)
don´t worry, it will take more time, not only to heal wounds on both sides, but also for the K-albanians to realize that they are constantly being duped.
so, Mr.Surroi is perhaps only saying what others already know for a longer time, but do not dare to admit.
let´s just see what future brings, and ... the warm breeze is helping Serbia, as it seems. ;)
(Jovan, 27 August 2008 01:43)
Mr.Surroi,I have voted for you twice.I have supported you since you have founded "ORA"!
Now I am very disappointed with your comments,you are a bad looser!
In the last election you didn't make it to parliament!That's tell you that you are not cut for this!
We are Albanians and we should stick one for another,your comments divides us and make our future not so clear!
I have never supported Thaci,but he is one of us,we are in this together,you are forgetting how we lost our loved ones!!!
Money and wealth is good,but look what is doing to Russians,they forgot what is the most important thing in the World,to respect another human beings!!!
Peace and Love from London!
(louie, 27 August 2008 01:27)
Tesla: "The only hindrance to this is the chronic lack of education and meaningful skills that are necessary in the competitive market of the EU."
Let's see: "According to statistics from the Education Ministry, nearly 50 percent of Serbian citizens never finished elementary schooling"
[link] As for you wishing that all Albanians leave, it shows that the Serb old way of thinking is still there, the same way that lost you all parts, from Slovenia to Kosovo. Worry about populating Vojvodina and Sandzak with Serbs, leave Kosova alone. It's over, for every Albanian that dies five are born. Albanians have waited a long time and are in no rush.
(Alban, 27 August 2008 00:42)
Ben, as I predicted the Serbian government Ministry of Foreign Affairs has answered the question you posed to Serbs; they will not recognize the Georgian Breakaway regions- Official Belgrade respects international law and has a principled policy of preservation of sovereignty and territorial integrity of internationally recognized states, above all of the Republic of Serbia," the statement concludes.
My question remains to you, will the UDI authorities follow their principles and the wishes of Kosovo residents such as your self and recgonize the Georgian breakaway regions, or will Pristina do as it is told.
Do you know the answer and are afraid of it?
(marko, 26 August 2008 23:13)
"Third and the most possible options is frozen conflict in Kosovo - die hard and live in misery and poverty forever and enjoy "supervised independence" - just liberty and prosperity in increasing the population size - but they had it all before and more.
(dd, 26 August 2008 20:29) "
The best way to escape this entrenched misery is for all of the Albanian youth under 50 to migrate to EU countries for a new life. This will solve both economic and demographic problems that would go unresolved for centuries to come.
I predict that easy migration to the EU will be a blessing in disguise for Serbian interests.
The only hindrance to this is the chronic lack of education and meaningful skills that are necessary in the competitive market of the EU. Attitude and work ethic go a long way as well. A welfare society that was heavily subsidized does not easily adjust.
(tesla, 26 August 2008 22:19)
veton surroi is no doubt intelligent,but the problem is that he is always wrong with his statement:he was a yu socialist member when time was to be in oposition,he was for autonomy when time was for independence,he was against uck when time was to be with uck,he was in the fields when time was to be in town,he is againdt this gvt when time is to be united and push for new recognisation...
It is strange to see how each time we have a serbian offensive,we have veton's declaration that most of the time are not in favor of the albanians,very strange indeed!His old serbian connections with stanicic and co , may be ,are asking him to still be active from time !
Veton surroi has got what he deserve during the last elections,and with no doubt the message that the albanian population send to him was very clear!
(lili, 26 August 2008 21:30)
Mathematicly there have been 8 recognitions per month since indipendence was declared. With this rate after one year Kosovo is going to be a state for 142 countries. Long time but worth the wait.
(AS TIA, 26 August 2008 21:27)
Serbia should say that she backs any UNSC resolution on the status of the two.
Shades of grey.
In an unfortunate minute in which Serbia would do such a thing as recognising, she should not even dare to ask others for support on Kosovo anymore.
(adrian/bucharest, 26 August 2008 20:45)
my question to you remains; is Kosovo commited to the self determination of all people and is it prepared to offer the people of the breakaway georgian territories its recognition, despite its masters in Washington.
(Marko, 26 August 2008 18:31)
Capital letters are only for the purpose to underline the important parts that the Serbian camp flies above like nothing- not for shouting.
You still miss the point. Where do you get the impression that I would be against the recognition of SO and Abkhasia? see my post #5.
If it is up for me I would give Zubuin Potok and Leposavic in north to Serbia and swap it fro the Presheva’s valley. Neither Serbia has the trust of Albanians in the Presheva valley neither Kosova is trusted by Serbs in the north. So, why forcing things?
However, Kosova is a small issue here and in much weaker position than Serbia.
Will Serbia recognise or not the independence of SO and Abkhazia will change nothing in the ground- as it will never have anything to say in Kosova's life.
Now it is the question of being principled in her positions and declare that Serbia supports the territorial integrity of Georgia.
Will the puppets in Belgrade dear to go against their masters and historical defender: the wild bear???
(ben, 26 August 2008 20:32)
Russia tried everything to stress the importance of International Law and Justice – but was ignored and laughed at every time when tried to explain obvious and logical thing – UDI is shameful and its supporters - “strong” nations are violators of Law and Justice.
Russia said what will happen and what that UDI support will bring to the World affairs.
West asked for it and got the respectable opposition player plays on their Rules and Standards.
Now – when Russia recognized independence – it’s 2 way forward:
1. Russia to ask West to reverse recognition of Kosovo and they will reverse their decision of recognition of SO and Abkhazia. – same standards for everybody or trigger more chaos in other parts of the World – maybe that is what US wants with all unsolvable problems at home – crush of financial and housing markets, unemployment, increasing debt, losing wars in Afghanistan and Iraq etc.
2. Russia and Serbia recognize Kosovo – south of Ibar (partition) and Kosovo and West accept and recognize reality on the ground. It will be ball in Kosovo field expecting to stop playing on double standards and recognize SO and Abkhazia and reality on the ground and partition of Kosovo.
Both options are bad for the World, and Kosovo – and bring more anarchy and chaos, just because of America experiment and investment in Bondsteel and Kosovars who accept the game to play with fire again.
Third and the most possible options is frozen conflict in Kosovo - die hard and live in misery and poverty forever and enjoy "supervised independence" - just liberty and prosperity in increasing the population size - but they had it all before and more.
(dd, 26 August 2008 20:29)
Best name on here. As for the topic lets just wait and see what unfolds over the coming days...It's gonna be interesting.
(Bahrain Bound, 26 August 2008 18:32)
Will your Serbian Gov.t FINALLY DECLARE THAT SUPPORTS THE TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY OF GEORGIA??? "
First I am not sure of why you are shouting and why it is okay with B-92
With respect to Serbias support of Georgia's soveriengty I remind you that Serbian politicians of every stripe have long warned that Kosovo' UDI sets a dangerous precident in places such as spain, France, Georgia etc. Further it is hightly improbable that Serbia would recognise the partion of Georgia, as this would contradict vital Serbian policies and interests. Unlike the U.S., Russia will not force it's own allies to recognise the break away Georgian regions.
my question to you remains; is Kosovo commited to the self determination of all people and is it prepared to offer the people of the breakaway georgian territories its recognition, despite its masters in Washington.
(Marko, 26 August 2008 18:31)
Kosovo's independence may become real no sooner than the Serbs agree the conditions and nothing can save the Albanians from negotiating them. Serbia is even more important for the K-people than Russia and the US. But the Snakes have encornered themselves and their people.
Evidently Serbian elites find themselves in a very difficult situation with the fast changing status quo in the Caucasus. But wherever they have their salaries from Serbian ruling class members cannot forget that they have only one reliable ally. Then sooner or later we shall find a solution for Kosovo and Metohjia too ...
.
(Oh those Russians !, 26 August 2008 18:20)
Wooohoo, so much ado about one single statement by a person that has no influence over the political scene of Kosovo and wants to regain influence by giving fiery declarations. For those uninformed, at the moment the Government in Prishtina is selecting the names of first Ambassadors (Charges d'affairs) of Kosovo abroad and there are increasing rumors that the present Minister of Foreign will be replaced soon. So, Mr. Surroi is just flaging his own name as interested in becoming either new MoF or at least an Ambassador to US, UK or Brussels.
I mean, people, try to analyze the issues before you jump to conclusions.
(Ron, 26 August 2008 18:10)
Dashnori i Ceces:
> USA /EU will unfreeze it for us.
That 'hill' that US/EU are trying to climb while carrying 'pseudo-state' on it's collective back is getting steeper & steeper. Eventually, they'll dump you in sheer frustration.
ben:
'Republic of Kosovo' a genuine democracy? Your optimism appears to be clouding your judgement. Any K-albanian election is a foregone conclusion. Ex-KLA thugs will see to that.
At least serbian elections aren't predictable.
Russia recognising 'pseudo-state' because it has recognised South Ossetia & Abkhazia? There is a certain point when blind optimism becomes wishful thinking.
Expecting consistency from major powers these days seems to be a thing of the past.
Tex Willer:
> Don't worry because the warm wind start to blow from Caucasus.
Must be thinking of all that 'hot air' coming from 'Condi' & the state dep't.
Jan Anderson:
Was just writing about living in the land of 'make believe' & up pop's your latest comment. Prophetic :)
Djuro UK:
Amusing link. Liked the quote from the georgian minister for reintegration best - appears to think Georgia is still 'at war' with Russia.
(peter, sydney, 26 August 2008 17:53)
"I believe that Russia as responsible country, will continua with here principle position and recognise Kosova too and maybe Chechnya in near future. (ben, 26 August 2008 13:17)"
Ben, I'm sure Russia considers Georgia a "unique" case that has no bearing on Kosovo. Two can play at that silly game.
"And maybe alternativley Russia and Serbia's plan is to partition Kosovo...well why not when Kosovo Albanians declare UDI, Serbs can do what they want too. (Djuro UK, 26 August 2008 15:35)"
Clearly all of Serbia's recent actions point to partition, good observation Djuro.
(Matthew, 26 August 2008 16:53)
Two interesting things from this rather short article,
1. K Albanian leaders seem to claim a chunk of ther rationality back when they are not in power. Ceku said that about two weeks ago and now we have Surroi, who is probably the closest thing to an actual politician in Kosovo Province. It's interesting how we hear criticism coming from the opposition, and delusional statements coming from Sejdiu and Thaci.
2. The kneejerk reactions from our Albanians friends here have all placed their complete and utter hope of "unfreezing" the situation on the US. This basically confirms Surroi's criticism that the K Albanians have no initiative of their own, and must rely on other people to do their own work. How does this make you either democratic or independent?
(Mike, 26 August 2008 16:38)
USA /EU will unfreeze it for us. Kosova's foreign policy is non-existant of course so thank god for US /EU. Eventually we will get there.
(Dashnori i Ceces
Then you are in real, real trouble. Waiting for someone to solve your problems won’t lead you forward but right into disaster. The best solution for the Albanians was proposal by the Serbian negotiation team, remember Hong Kong, Åland Islands. You would be running your affairs much more independently than you will ever experience under NATO and EULEX in the province.
(bmrusila, 26 August 2008 16:35)
It will not happen, but nevertheless I really would like to see that the US, the EU countries, and a lot of other countries recognized the 2 new states: South Ossetia and Abchasia. Recognized them, established diplomatic missions, and began to throw money around with the clear intention of convincing the population and the politicians that NATO was the best thing ever since sliced bread. And then watch Moscow's reaction when they suddenly have 2 new NATO members at their borders.
(Jan Andersen, DK, 26 August 2008 16:31)
"do you think that the Kosovo government will recognize the Georgian Sepertatist regions (...) or do you think that the puppets in Pristina will cower and do as they are told by Washington."
That is a very interesting question Marko. I look forward to see the answer(s), both from the posters here, and in the headlines.
I hope the answer will be along the lines of "independence for everyone, twice on Mondays".
--
(Jan Andersen, DK, 26 August 2008 16:22)
This will get rather interesting.
From BBC “Late on Monday, the US state department had warned that recognition of the XXX provinces' independence would be "a violation of XXXX territorial integrity" and "inconsistent with international law".
(Gunar Knutt-Knob, 26 August 2008 16:18)
You bet it will happen!! and it will start in september after ICJ confirms the kosovo UDI unjustified.
These "shameful" 46 states will start re-thinking their recognition and eventually will call for return to the negotiating table on status.
(Jevic, 26 August 2008 15:57)
All this Kosovo/Georgia recognition is just a smoke screen for Russia's big ambition, hold the West by the short and curlies for energy supplies.
Recognition gives Bush & Co a little taste of their own medicine and they wont recognise Chechnya...well I dont think so anyway
And maybe alternativley Russia and Serbia's plan is to partition Kosovo...well why not when Kosovo Albanians declare UDI, Serbs can do what they want too.
And so let's look also at Cyprus....and other regions as if it's Green light time for breakaway republics then we'll see a ripple effect elsewhere.
(Djuro UK, 26 August 2008 15:35)
that's like saying that I will NEVER depend on my landlord again. (un)fortunately the law requires me to pay rent which isn't your case. and 'my people' don't own the next door apartment so if my landlord decided to kick me out, i would actually have no place to go. imagine that.
(Slav, 26 August 2008 14:50)
Well I am not good politician, as I can see some of you guys here; I don’t know what your profession is in real life,
but thanks GOD you don’t lead any country if would be a some kind of disaster,
You don’t have any right to talk bad about people and judge them on wrong way, of course you will defend your country with anything you have, but can’t you see, everything is on the table (Black & White),
You are saying that Kosovo is Serbia, is that why you made the wars with Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, because they belonged to Serbia, I don’t know do you know that you have numerous of you own people that don’t want Kosovo,
Do you know how many people died in those wars, on their own home land, own houses, you don’t know nothing because you did not feel it you was not there to see, that’s why. Stop talking about people rights, when they got buried deep in the ground during wars. You know …you keep forgetting that there is a GOD, if you are believer.
(Earth-, 26 August 2008 14:40)
How independent are you Ben?
(Marko, 26 August 2008 13:51)
Let's see your question in mirror:
Will your Serbian Gov.t FINALLY DECLARE THAT SUPPORTS THE TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY OF GEORGIA???
Now it is Russia that needs to speak- preferably unanimously as they did yesterday. If Russia wants’ to e be an important factor in the international arena needs to take care about her reputation. Hence no double standards: recognise Kosova and Chechnya too.
I think that the alleged 'freezing' process will be defreezed by RUSSIA.
(ben, 26 August 2008 14:39)
When the top democracies in the world said that Kosovo independence is the only implementable solution, why one need worry.!
The frozen Kosovo status 1912-1999 has been unfrozen on the 17.02.2008.
Now back to future. Serbia needs to realise that Kosovo recognition is an inevitable strategic decision. The sooner they realise the better for the Serbians.
We do not care, after all what Serbia does, because Kosovo future NEVER again will be dependent from Serbia. We depend, from the for the time being, only on progressive democracies.
Ben, Speaking of double standards, do you think that the Kosovo government will recognize the Georgian Sepertatist regions becuase they value "every people's right to self determiniation", or do you think that the puppets in Pristina will cower and do as they are told by Washington.
How independent are you Ben?
(Marko, 26 August 2008 13:51)
Interesting to know what does Serbia get out of this freeze. I recon that this freeze will not suit Serbia too since Serbia is the neighbouring sate of Kosova and this freeze can very easily effect them too.
Lets see, what are the benefits for Serbia from being Russian puppet for their gains in Georgia. Not that I am glad but, I am sure that these cloud of freeze will be not very far from freeze in Serbia too. God help us.
(Olf, 26 August 2008 13:44)
US and EU are busy with Russia trying to do the same thing that Nato did in 1999 that is currently happening in South Ossetia. Georgia tried to use force and Russia like Nato Crushed Georgia. Now the US and Nato are eating the same dinner that Nato served Serbia but now Russia has the EU because of the Natural Gas they provide.
(OBAMA 08, 26 August 2008 13:43)
The inhabitants of Kosovo were in such a hurry to declare independence, their "leaders" failed to look at the entire picture.
To date, my thoughts still stand - Kosovo is Serbia. If there was any type of declaration that was to be made, it should have been equal to that of Puerto Rico & the US; still an integral part of Serbia, but autonomus.
The funny part of this separation is that Kosovo passports aren't recognized by the surrounding countries so where are these inhabitants going - nowhere fast.
There will be no further recognition or help to Kosovo as it's status is low on the totem pole of reality. Thaci had his five minutes of fame - done & over with - now he must beg for help, as there is no oil, natural resources only instability, drug trade & illegalities. The government contains figure heads that are all criminals & no one has time or patience for this mosquito called Thachi. Any action taken towards Kosovo will be out of pity for their ridiculous decision.
(GSP, 26 August 2008 13:39)
I think Mr Surroi is bang on the button. This is the first signs of an indication of dissatisfaction among Pristina's chattering classes that reality is slowly dawning on them. If Kosmet's Albanians really want to progress both social, economical and political then they need to reopen negotiations with Belgrade to resolve the status of the province.
One thing is clear, the current situation is a non runner long term as the illegal status will perpetuate and compound Kosmet's Albanian population. Serbian diplomacy has effectively put a skid on Pristina's aspirations and the only way out is back to the table for jaw-jaw.
How long will we see the chattering classes start to grumble loudly and heap pressure on Thaci and Sejdiu to get the thumbs out of their collective arses.
(Niall O'Doherty, 26 August 2008 13:24)
His statement(s) is a concrete prove that Kosova has genuine democracy and not a fake one like Serbia.
Kosovars are free and can speak freely!
His last statement is a proof.
Although I don't believe that the process will be stopped the fact is that Serbia will never have any say in Kosova in any aspect of the life. Hence I don’t see a reason for cherishing from anti-liberal=anti-kosova’s independence.
I guess after the new political ‘dimension’ of Russia traced by yesterday’s act of recognition of the secessionism of SO and Abkhazia, I believe that Russia as responsible country, will continua with here principle position and recognise Kosova too and maybe Chechnya in near future.
If it doesn’t this would be a absolute and shameful example of double standards.
(ben, 26 August 2008 13:17)
This is the first sober statement I've read from the albanian side. I can even agree with much of this statement. If they keep sobering up then maybe even a reasonable dialog will be possible soon.
(kufr, 26 August 2008 12:37)
While it is obvious that Surroi is one of the better Kosovo Albanian politicians you have to wonder.
How on earth can one be a journalist, analyst and a leader of a political party at the same time?
I understand that Surroi moved into politics through a sense of national duty but he can't just step back into his old role through disappointment at his lack of political success.
Surroi is right on this, but he has been saying this for a while now. Having made a lot of money, he now no longer needs backing from Washington and Brussels and is operating 'in the wild'.
That means 'foreigners leave' and whipping up Kosovo Albanian discontent to this end by talking about the division of Kosovo.
He may be rich, elitist and essentially a nationalist, but I'd still rather that he led Kosovo Albanians, rather than former warlords.
(bganon, 26 August 2008 12:21)
Kosovo independence is yesterday's news and with a dismal number of recognitions, it only confirms this land is simply occupied Serbian territory.
With the third wave of recognitions (this month) producing only a small number of islands and mini-states acknowledging this illegal puppet entity, it is now clear that the independence movement is dead.
The sooner the Albanians realise this reality the better.
(ZK UK, 26 August 2008 12:05)
USA /EU will unfreeze it for us. Kosova's foreign policy is non-existant of course so thank god for US /EU. Eventually we will get there.
(Dashnori i Ceces, 26 August 2008 11:40)
Kosovo independence is yesterday's news and with a dismal number of recognitions, it only confirms this land is simply occupied Serbian territory.
With the third wave of recognitions (this month) producing only a small number of islands and mini-states acknowledging this illegal puppet entity, it is now clear that the independence movement is dead.
The sooner the Albanians realise this reality the better.
(ZK UK, 26 August 2008 12:05)
I think Mr Surroi is bang on the button. This is the first signs of an indication of dissatisfaction among Pristina's chattering classes that reality is slowly dawning on them. If Kosmet's Albanians really want to progress both social, economical and political then they need to reopen negotiations with Belgrade to resolve the status of the province.
One thing is clear, the current situation is a non runner long term as the illegal status will perpetuate and compound Kosmet's Albanian population. Serbian diplomacy has effectively put a skid on Pristina's aspirations and the only way out is back to the table for jaw-jaw.
How long will we see the chattering classes start to grumble loudly and heap pressure on Thaci and Sejdiu to get the thumbs out of their collective arses.
(Niall O'Doherty, 26 August 2008 13:24)
When the top democracies in the world said that Kosovo independence is the only implementable solution, why one need worry.!
The frozen Kosovo status 1912-1999 has been unfrozen on the 17.02.2008.
Now back to future. Serbia needs to realise that Kosovo recognition is an inevitable strategic decision. The sooner they realise the better for the Serbians.
We do not care, after all what Serbia does, because Kosovo future NEVER again will be dependent from Serbia. We depend, from the for the time being, only on progressive democracies.
The inhabitants of Kosovo were in such a hurry to declare independence, their "leaders" failed to look at the entire picture.
To date, my thoughts still stand - Kosovo is Serbia. If there was any type of declaration that was to be made, it should have been equal to that of Puerto Rico & the US; still an integral part of Serbia, but autonomus.
The funny part of this separation is that Kosovo passports aren't recognized by the surrounding countries so where are these inhabitants going - nowhere fast.
There will be no further recognition or help to Kosovo as it's status is low on the totem pole of reality. Thaci had his five minutes of fame - done & over with - now he must beg for help, as there is no oil, natural resources only instability, drug trade & illegalities. The government contains figure heads that are all criminals & no one has time or patience for this mosquito called Thachi. Any action taken towards Kosovo will be out of pity for their ridiculous decision.
(GSP, 26 August 2008 13:39)
Ben, Speaking of double standards, do you think that the Kosovo government will recognize the Georgian Sepertatist regions becuase they value "every people's right to self determiniation", or do you think that the puppets in Pristina will cower and do as they are told by Washington.
How independent are you Ben?
(Marko, 26 August 2008 13:51)
Dear PRN,
You are so short-sighted, that you simply forget that there is no history backing you up on this one: Kosovo, Serbia (your country), S.O. and A. belonging to G.... all of them have to learn to listen to the voices abroad. So far only Serbia did... Are we happy about it? - No, not really, as we learnt, long time ago that we are a small country - did you all exercise the same discipline, by any chance?
(and, 27 August 2008 09:52)
Dear "and"
Everything I say is fully documented, and backed up by millions of historical evidences and ANY individual smart enough can confirm my claims by reading unbiased documents from international historians.
(PRN, 27 August 2008 14:44)
Two interesting things from this rather short article,
1. K Albanian leaders seem to claim a chunk of ther rationality back when they are not in power. Ceku said that about two weeks ago and now we have Surroi, who is probably the closest thing to an actual politician in Kosovo Province. It's interesting how we hear criticism coming from the opposition, and delusional statements coming from Sejdiu and Thaci.
2. The kneejerk reactions from our Albanians friends here have all placed their complete and utter hope of "unfreezing" the situation on the US. This basically confirms Surroi's criticism that the K Albanians have no initiative of their own, and must rely on other people to do their own work. How does this make you either democratic or independent?
(Mike, 26 August 2008 16:38)
This will get rather interesting.
From BBC “Late on Monday, the US state department had warned that recognition of the XXX provinces' independence would be "a violation of XXXX territorial integrity" and "inconsistent with international law".
(Gunar Knutt-Knob, 26 August 2008 16:18)
You bet it will happen!! and it will start in september after ICJ confirms the kosovo UDI unjustified.
These "shameful" 46 states will start re-thinking their recognition and eventually will call for return to the negotiating table on status.
(Jevic, 26 August 2008 15:57)
USA /EU will unfreeze it for us. Kosova's foreign policy is non-existant of course so thank god for US /EU. Eventually we will get there.
(Dashnori i Ceces
Then you are in real, real trouble. Waiting for someone to solve your problems won’t lead you forward but right into disaster. The best solution for the Albanians was proposal by the Serbian negotiation team, remember Hong Kong, Åland Islands. You would be running your affairs much more independently than you will ever experience under NATO and EULEX in the province.
(bmrusila, 26 August 2008 16:35)
US and EU are busy with Russia trying to do the same thing that Nato did in 1999 that is currently happening in South Ossetia. Georgia tried to use force and Russia like Nato Crushed Georgia. Now the US and Nato are eating the same dinner that Nato served Serbia but now Russia has the EU because of the Natural Gas they provide.
(OBAMA 08, 26 August 2008 13:43)
This is the first sober statement I've read from the albanian side. I can even agree with much of this statement. If they keep sobering up then maybe even a reasonable dialog will be possible soon.
(kufr, 26 August 2008 12:37)
While it is obvious that Surroi is one of the better Kosovo Albanian politicians you have to wonder.
How on earth can one be a journalist, analyst and a leader of a political party at the same time?
I understand that Surroi moved into politics through a sense of national duty but he can't just step back into his old role through disappointment at his lack of political success.
Surroi is right on this, but he has been saying this for a while now. Having made a lot of money, he now no longer needs backing from Washington and Brussels and is operating 'in the wild'.
That means 'foreigners leave' and whipping up Kosovo Albanian discontent to this end by talking about the division of Kosovo.
He may be rich, elitist and essentially a nationalist, but I'd still rather that he led Kosovo Albanians, rather than former warlords.
(bganon, 26 August 2008 12:21)
that's like saying that I will NEVER depend on my landlord again. (un)fortunately the law requires me to pay rent which isn't your case. and 'my people' don't own the next door apartment so if my landlord decided to kick me out, i would actually have no place to go. imagine that.
(Slav, 26 August 2008 14:50)
Will your Serbian Gov.t FINALLY DECLARE THAT SUPPORTS THE TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY OF GEORGIA??? "
First I am not sure of why you are shouting and why it is okay with B-92
With respect to Serbias support of Georgia's soveriengty I remind you that Serbian politicians of every stripe have long warned that Kosovo' UDI sets a dangerous precident in places such as spain, France, Georgia etc. Further it is hightly improbable that Serbia would recognise the partion of Georgia, as this would contradict vital Serbian policies and interests. Unlike the U.S., Russia will not force it's own allies to recognise the break away Georgian regions.
my question to you remains; is Kosovo commited to the self determination of all people and is it prepared to offer the people of the breakaway georgian territories its recognition, despite its masters in Washington.
(Marko, 26 August 2008 18:31)
"I believe that Russia as responsible country, will continua with here principle position and recognise Kosova too and maybe Chechnya in near future. (ben, 26 August 2008 13:17)"
Ben, I'm sure Russia considers Georgia a "unique" case that has no bearing on Kosovo. Two can play at that silly game.
"And maybe alternativley Russia and Serbia's plan is to partition Kosovo...well why not when Kosovo Albanians declare UDI, Serbs can do what they want too. (Djuro UK, 26 August 2008 15:35)"
Clearly all of Serbia's recent actions point to partition, good observation Djuro.
(Matthew, 26 August 2008 16:53)
Kosovo's independence may become real no sooner than the Serbs agree the conditions and nothing can save the Albanians from negotiating them. Serbia is even more important for the K-people than Russia and the US. But the Snakes have encornered themselves and their people.
Evidently Serbian elites find themselves in a very difficult situation with the fast changing status quo in the Caucasus. But wherever they have their salaries from Serbian ruling class members cannot forget that they have only one reliable ally. Then sooner or later we shall find a solution for Kosovo and Metohjia too ...
.
(Oh those Russians !, 26 August 2008 18:20)
All this Kosovo/Georgia recognition is just a smoke screen for Russia's big ambition, hold the West by the short and curlies for energy supplies.
Recognition gives Bush & Co a little taste of their own medicine and they wont recognise Chechnya...well I dont think so anyway
And maybe alternativley Russia and Serbia's plan is to partition Kosovo...well why not when Kosovo Albanians declare UDI, Serbs can do what they want too.
And so let's look also at Cyprus....and other regions as if it's Green light time for breakaway republics then we'll see a ripple effect elsewhere.
(Djuro UK, 26 August 2008 15:35)
Dashnori i Ceces:
> USA /EU will unfreeze it for us.
That 'hill' that US/EU are trying to climb while carrying 'pseudo-state' on it's collective back is getting steeper & steeper. Eventually, they'll dump you in sheer frustration.
ben:
'Republic of Kosovo' a genuine democracy? Your optimism appears to be clouding your judgement. Any K-albanian election is a foregone conclusion. Ex-KLA thugs will see to that.
At least serbian elections aren't predictable.
Russia recognising 'pseudo-state' because it has recognised South Ossetia & Abkhazia? There is a certain point when blind optimism becomes wishful thinking.
Expecting consistency from major powers these days seems to be a thing of the past.
Tex Willer:
> Don't worry because the warm wind start to blow from Caucasus.
Must be thinking of all that 'hot air' coming from 'Condi' & the state dep't.
Jan Anderson:
Was just writing about living in the land of 'make believe' & up pop's your latest comment. Prophetic :)
Djuro UK:
Amusing link. Liked the quote from the georgian minister for reintegration best - appears to think Georgia is still 'at war' with Russia.
(peter, sydney, 26 August 2008 17:53)
His statement(s) is a concrete prove that Kosova has genuine democracy and not a fake one like Serbia.
Kosovars are free and can speak freely!
His last statement is a proof.
Although I don't believe that the process will be stopped the fact is that Serbia will never have any say in Kosova in any aspect of the life. Hence I don’t see a reason for cherishing from anti-liberal=anti-kosova’s independence.
I guess after the new political ‘dimension’ of Russia traced by yesterday’s act of recognition of the secessionism of SO and Abkhazia, I believe that Russia as responsible country, will continua with here principle position and recognise Kosova too and maybe Chechnya in near future.
If it doesn’t this would be a absolute and shameful example of double standards.
(ben, 26 August 2008 13:17)
Russia tried everything to stress the importance of International Law and Justice – but was ignored and laughed at every time when tried to explain obvious and logical thing – UDI is shameful and its supporters - “strong” nations are violators of Law and Justice.
Russia said what will happen and what that UDI support will bring to the World affairs.
West asked for it and got the respectable opposition player plays on their Rules and Standards.
Now – when Russia recognized independence – it’s 2 way forward:
1. Russia to ask West to reverse recognition of Kosovo and they will reverse their decision of recognition of SO and Abkhazia. – same standards for everybody or trigger more chaos in other parts of the World – maybe that is what US wants with all unsolvable problems at home – crush of financial and housing markets, unemployment, increasing debt, losing wars in Afghanistan and Iraq etc.
2. Russia and Serbia recognize Kosovo – south of Ibar (partition) and Kosovo and West accept and recognize reality on the ground. It will be ball in Kosovo field expecting to stop playing on double standards and recognize SO and Abkhazia and reality on the ground and partition of Kosovo.
Both options are bad for the World, and Kosovo – and bring more anarchy and chaos, just because of America experiment and investment in Bondsteel and Kosovars who accept the game to play with fire again.
Third and the most possible options is frozen conflict in Kosovo - die hard and live in misery and poverty forever and enjoy "supervised independence" - just liberty and prosperity in increasing the population size - but they had it all before and more.
(dd, 26 August 2008 20:29)
Ben, as I predicted the Serbian government Ministry of Foreign Affairs has answered the question you posed to Serbs; they will not recognize the Georgian Breakaway regions- Official Belgrade respects international law and has a principled policy of preservation of sovereignty and territorial integrity of internationally recognized states, above all of the Republic of Serbia," the statement concludes.
My question remains to you, will the UDI authorities follow their principles and the wishes of Kosovo residents such as your self and recgonize the Georgian breakaway regions, or will Pristina do as it is told.
Do you know the answer and are afraid of it?
(marko, 26 August 2008 23:13)
USA /EU will unfreeze it for us. Kosova's foreign policy is non-existant of course so thank god for US /EU. Eventually we will get there.
(Dashnori i Ceces, 26 August 2008 11:40)
don´t worry, it will take more time, not only to heal wounds on both sides, but also for the K-albanians to realize that they are constantly being duped.
so, Mr.Surroi is perhaps only saying what others already know for a longer time, but do not dare to admit.
let´s just see what future brings, and ... the warm breeze is helping Serbia, as it seems. ;)
(Jovan, 27 August 2008 01:43)
"Third and the most possible options is frozen conflict in Kosovo - die hard and live in misery and poverty forever and enjoy "supervised independence" - just liberty and prosperity in increasing the population size - but they had it all before and more.
(dd, 26 August 2008 20:29) "
The best way to escape this entrenched misery is for all of the Albanian youth under 50 to migrate to EU countries for a new life. This will solve both economic and demographic problems that would go unresolved for centuries to come.
I predict that easy migration to the EU will be a blessing in disguise for Serbian interests.
The only hindrance to this is the chronic lack of education and meaningful skills that are necessary in the competitive market of the EU. Attitude and work ethic go a long way as well. A welfare society that was heavily subsidized does not easily adjust.
(tesla, 26 August 2008 22:19)
AS TIA:
> Mathematicly there have been 8 recognitions per month since indipendence was declared. With this rate after one year Kosovo is going to be a state for 142 countries.
Using this logic, one could also say the following:
Since 17 countries recognised UDI in the first week, all 192 countries should have recognised by about the 6th of May, 2008...
Or, since 26 countries recognised UDI in the first month, 164 countries should have recognised by now etc.
Reality is that as time goes on, fewer countries will recognise.
In the first 3 months, 40 countries recognised. In the following 3 months - just 5. And during the present quarter, count stands at 1.
> Long time but worth the wait.
The 'wait' will be longer than you think.. a lot longer... or as the title of this article says....
"Kosovo's status freezing".
(peter, sydney, 27 August 2008 06:28)
Well I am not good politician, as I can see some of you guys here; I don’t know what your profession is in real life,
but thanks GOD you don’t lead any country if would be a some kind of disaster,
You don’t have any right to talk bad about people and judge them on wrong way, of course you will defend your country with anything you have, but can’t you see, everything is on the table (Black & White),
You are saying that Kosovo is Serbia, is that why you made the wars with Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, because they belonged to Serbia, I don’t know do you know that you have numerous of you own people that don’t want Kosovo,
Do you know how many people died in those wars, on their own home land, own houses, you don’t know nothing because you did not feel it you was not there to see, that’s why. Stop talking about people rights, when they got buried deep in the ground during wars. You know …you keep forgetting that there is a GOD, if you are believer.
(Earth-, 26 August 2008 14:40)
Interesting to know what does Serbia get out of this freeze. I recon that this freeze will not suit Serbia too since Serbia is the neighbouring sate of Kosova and this freeze can very easily effect them too.
Lets see, what are the benefits for Serbia from being Russian puppet for their gains in Georgia. Not that I am glad but, I am sure that these cloud of freeze will be not very far from freeze in Serbia too. God help us.
(Olf, 26 August 2008 13:44)
We do not care, after all what Serbia does, because Kosovo future NEVER again will be dependent from Serbia. We depend, from the for the time being, only on progressive democracies.
It is still part of Serbia ,read UNSRC 1244,it is de facto an occupied part of Southern Serbia and you know that,that`s why you are coming on Serbian sites.
(CG, 27 August 2008 14:47)
PRN:
> Everything I say is fully documented, and backed up by millions of historical evidences and ANY individual smart enough can confirm my claims by reading unbiased documents from international historians.
Don't usually bother to reply to or even read what you've written these days as is usually a waste of my time. But since you are defending your 'credibility', will make an exception.
Tell me please, how is it that in the space of a couple of hours since your above post (#49) appeared, you have managed to garner more recommendations (21 as I am writing this) on one of yesterdays topics, than anyone else has managed to receive for any of todays current topics (with the exception of yourself of course)?
Are you really so insecure in your 'opinions' that you believe that in order to gain respect from your peers, you need all those 'self-recommendations?
Most of the people who comment on this site are fairly intelligent. Do you really believe that they don't see through you?
(peter, sydney, 27 August 2008 17:18)
"It's over, for every Albanian that dies five are born. Albanians have waited a long time and are in no rush.
(Alban, 27 August 2008 00:42)"
Serbs never coveted Slovenian land. This is why the the JNA left without any serious altercations. Serbs have no significant historical or cultural roots in Slovenia. On the other hand, Kosovo is Srbija, now and forever.
Demographics always shift and change throughout history, and all I am saying is that certain factors will influence demographics in Kosovo which will be more favourable for Serbian interests.
In regards to Serbs wishing Albans to leave Kosovo, you need to ask yourself why this is so. Have you people done all you can to integrate into Serbian society throughout history, and have you been loyal to Yugoslav/Serbian citizens. History shows you haven't.
Albans need to learn from our Roma and other minorities on how to successfully integrate into Serbian society, otherwise eternal conflict will result since Kosovo is the eternal home and Jerusalem of Serbs.
As Kennedy implied, you need to change your historical attitude about what Serbia should do for you, or what you can get from it, and instead ask: "what can I do for my country?" Your country is Serbia whether you like it or not.
The fact is that sheer power and force of will is what determines outcomes in the Balkans. Serbia is more powerful than Albania both militarily and economically, and this will not change for a very long time. It is unwise to bang your head against a wall as the Universal Serbian sentiment is that Kosovo je Srbija. The sooner you realize this, the sooner you will lift yourselves out of abject poverty.
The question now is since your politicians have put you in this dire predicament, how can we organize the funds and political will to resettle you throughout Europe so that you can start a new and happy life for once. The west can truly help Albans with this focus instead of applying “band-aid” solutions to cultural/geographical difficiencies that exist in Kosovo. Kosovo does not have any of the essential and necesssary resources that nation-states need in order to survive.
(tesla, 27 August 2008 06:25)
How independent are you Ben?
(Marko, 26 August 2008 13:51)
Let's see your question in mirror:
Will your Serbian Gov.t FINALLY DECLARE THAT SUPPORTS THE TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY OF GEORGIA???
Now it is Russia that needs to speak- preferably unanimously as they did yesterday. If Russia wants’ to e be an important factor in the international arena needs to take care about her reputation. Hence no double standards: recognise Kosova and Chechnya too.
I think that the alleged 'freezing' process will be defreezed by RUSSIA.
(ben, 26 August 2008 14:39)
(peter, sydney, 27 August 2008 17:18),
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(dd, 27 August 2008 20:13)
Dear Peter and 'dd',
I think you care more about quantity of my reccommendation rather than with the quality of comment.
It is a shame and very childish from you both. I never look at reccommendation because I dont care, and moreover they do not represent a qualitative comment anyway.
BTW, I am repeating FOR THE LAST TIME, that I know much more people that check B92 news/read-comments that you may think. Do you think I should worry whether they like my comments or recommend???
(PRN, 28 August 2008 15:00)
"do you think that the Kosovo government will recognize the Georgian Sepertatist regions (...) or do you think that the puppets in Pristina will cower and do as they are told by Washington."
That is a very interesting question Marko. I look forward to see the answer(s), both from the posters here, and in the headlines.
I hope the answer will be along the lines of "independence for everyone, twice on Mondays".
--
(Jan Andersen, DK, 26 August 2008 16:22)
100 % with you on this one.
I had post ready to send of similar content re: # of self-recommendations PRN is able to post in the record time.
This is realy the "UNIQUE CASE - PRN only" - all rights reserved.
(dd, 27 August 2008 20:13)
Wooohoo, so much ado about one single statement by a person that has no influence over the political scene of Kosovo and wants to regain influence by giving fiery declarations. For those uninformed, at the moment the Government in Prishtina is selecting the names of first Ambassadors (Charges d'affairs) of Kosovo abroad and there are increasing rumors that the present Minister of Foreign will be replaced soon. So, Mr. Surroi is just flaging his own name as interested in becoming either new MoF or at least an Ambassador to US, UK or Brussels.
I mean, people, try to analyze the issues before you jump to conclusions.
(Ron, 26 August 2008 18:10)
Best name on here. As for the topic lets just wait and see what unfolds over the coming days...It's gonna be interesting.
(Bahrain Bound, 26 August 2008 18:32)
Dear PRN,
You are so short-sighted, that you simply forget that there is no history backing you up on this one: Kosovo, Serbia (your country), S.O. and A. belonging to G.... all of them have to learn to listen to the voices abroad. So far only Serbia did... Are we happy about it? - No, not really, as we learnt, long time ago that we are a small country - did you all exercise the same discipline, by any chance?
(and, 27 August 2008 09:52)
veton surroi is no doubt intelligent,but the problem is that he is always wrong with his statement:he was a yu socialist member when time was to be in oposition,he was for autonomy when time was for independence,he was against uck when time was to be with uck,he was in the fields when time was to be in town,he is againdt this gvt when time is to be united and push for new recognisation...
It is strange to see how each time we have a serbian offensive,we have veton's declaration that most of the time are not in favor of the albanians,very strange indeed!His old serbian connections with stanicic and co , may be ,are asking him to still be active from time !
Veton surroi has got what he deserve during the last elections,and with no doubt the message that the albanian population send to him was very clear!
(lili, 26 August 2008 21:30)
Tesla: "The only hindrance to this is the chronic lack of education and meaningful skills that are necessary in the competitive market of the EU."
Let's see: "According to statistics from the Education Ministry, nearly 50 percent of Serbian citizens never finished elementary schooling"
[link] As for you wishing that all Albanians leave, it shows that the Serb old way of thinking is still there, the same way that lost you all parts, from Slovenia to Kosovo. Worry about populating Vojvodina and Sandzak with Serbs, leave Kosova alone. It's over, for every Albanian that dies five are born. Albanians have waited a long time and are in no rush.
(Alban, 27 August 2008 00:42)
Mr.Surroi,I have voted for you twice.I have supported you since you have founded "ORA"!
Now I am very disappointed with your comments,you are a bad looser!
In the last election you didn't make it to parliament!That's tell you that you are not cut for this!
We are Albanians and we should stick one for another,your comments divides us and make our future not so clear!
I have never supported Thaci,but he is one of us,we are in this together,you are forgetting how we lost our loved ones!!!
Money and wealth is good,but look what is doing to Russians,they forgot what is the most important thing in the World,to respect another human beings!!!
Peace and Love from London!
(louie, 27 August 2008 01:27)
Serbia should say that she backs any UNSC resolution on the status of the two.
Shades of grey.
In an unfortunate minute in which Serbia would do such a thing as recognising, she should not even dare to ask others for support on Kosovo anymore.
(adrian/bucharest, 26 August 2008 20:45)
my question to you remains; is Kosovo commited to the self determination of all people and is it prepared to offer the people of the breakaway georgian territories its recognition, despite its masters in Washington.
(Marko, 26 August 2008 18:31)
Capital letters are only for the purpose to underline the important parts that the Serbian camp flies above like nothing- not for shouting.
You still miss the point. Where do you get the impression that I would be against the recognition of SO and Abkhasia? see my post #5.
If it is up for me I would give Zubuin Potok and Leposavic in north to Serbia and swap it fro the Presheva’s valley. Neither Serbia has the trust of Albanians in the Presheva valley neither Kosova is trusted by Serbs in the north. So, why forcing things?
However, Kosova is a small issue here and in much weaker position than Serbia.
Will Serbia recognise or not the independence of SO and Abkhazia will change nothing in the ground- as it will never have anything to say in Kosova's life.
Now it is the question of being principled in her positions and declare that Serbia supports the territorial integrity of Georgia.
Will the puppets in Belgrade dear to go against their masters and historical defender: the wild bear???
(ben, 26 August 2008 20:32)
Mathematicly there have been 8 recognitions per month since indipendence was declared. With this rate after one year Kosovo is going to be a state for 142 countries. Long time but worth the wait.
(AS TIA, 26 August 2008 21:27)
It will not happen, but nevertheless I really would like to see that the US, the EU countries, and a lot of other countries recognized the 2 new states: South Ossetia and Abchasia. Recognized them, established diplomatic missions, and began to throw money around with the clear intention of convincing the population and the politicians that NATO was the best thing ever since sliced bread. And then watch Moscow's reaction when they suddenly have 2 new NATO members at their borders.
(Jan Andersen, DK, 26 August 2008 16:31)
well here is my take n surroi's message: i agee that the new republic of kosova needs a strong and assertive (not aggressive)foreign policy, in conjunction with its democratic allies, to counter certain aggressive and invasive neighbors. i've said this before myself -- THey have their harvard-educated propagandist running around the world at a dizzying rate -- hey, if its good for the goose, it is good for the gander. the same thing with the court case -- there needs to be a variety of actions against belgrade in the world court for actions committed over the last decade. it is not for me to design and engineer this or these lawsuits, but it is time to get a move on... and it is time to put pressure, big-time, on belgrade to locate, and exhume (?) the bodies of some 2,000 still missing albanians from kosovo/a -- i am sick of the hurry up and wait, as are some thousands of families.
from critics of any nationality or ethnicity, we need to take what is appropriate and valid, and discard what is merely self-serving.
thank you.
roberto
frisco/sarajevo
robertoruss@yahoo.com
(roberto, 27 August 2008 02:55)
PRN:
> BTW, I am repeating FOR THE LAST TIME, that I know much more people that check B92 news/read-comments that you may think.
If we are to take you at your word, then you have some sort of 'fan base' that all happens to be on-line shortly after you post a comment.
And this 'fan base', strangely enough, only seems to think your comments are worthy of recomendation, irrespective of allegience.
And this 'fan base' isn't just a few people.. if you are to be believed, we're talking about something on the order of up to 50 people.
Do you see just how unlikely a proposition this is 'PRN'?
If you really want to be taken seriously youngster, then start acting like a grown-up, or you will find that more & more people will simply ignore you, & more importantly - ignore what you have to say.
And that would be a shame.
(peter, sydney, 30 August 2008 09:04)
Do you know the answer and are afraid of it?
(marko, 26 August 2008 23:13)
Marko: Serbian FMA never mentioned GEORGIA. It needs to me more clear and unambiguous in that.
However, you got my personal opinion- Yes.
About official Pristina: I don’t know what they will do but certainly I would be inclined to wait that Russia recognise Kosova first and withdraw the veto in UNSC and than recognise SO- I would be very very careful in the case of Abkhazia since it was Georgians that were ethnically cleansed there and the ethnic equilibrium was broken by force- same that Serbia wanted to do in Kosova in 1999.
So SO yes, Abkhazia NO.
(ben, 27 August 2008 12:11)
With the Russians actions recently the Serbs must understand that they don't really have a natural friend in the world so the best thing to do is, sit in the negotiation table as two good neighbours for the good interest of Serbs in Kosovo and Albanians in Preshevo valley.the only countries that have sided with Serbia are countries with their own problems in regard to self-determination of nations.Are countries with problems of their own your friends
(pleurat, 27 August 2008 20:52)
USA /EU will unfreeze it for us. Kosova's foreign policy is non-existant of course so thank god for US /EU. Eventually we will get there.
(Dashnori i Ceces, 26 August 2008 11:40)
His statement(s) is a concrete prove that Kosova has genuine democracy and not a fake one like Serbia.
Kosovars are free and can speak freely!
His last statement is a proof.
Although I don't believe that the process will be stopped the fact is that Serbia will never have any say in Kosova in any aspect of the life. Hence I don’t see a reason for cherishing from anti-liberal=anti-kosova’s independence.
I guess after the new political ‘dimension’ of Russia traced by yesterday’s act of recognition of the secessionism of SO and Abkhazia, I believe that Russia as responsible country, will continua with here principle position and recognise Kosova too and maybe Chechnya in near future.
If it doesn’t this would be a absolute and shameful example of double standards.
(ben, 26 August 2008 13:17)
When the top democracies in the world said that Kosovo independence is the only implementable solution, why one need worry.!
The frozen Kosovo status 1912-1999 has been unfrozen on the 17.02.2008.
Now back to future. Serbia needs to realise that Kosovo recognition is an inevitable strategic decision. The sooner they realise the better for the Serbians.
We do not care, after all what Serbia does, because Kosovo future NEVER again will be dependent from Serbia. We depend, from the for the time being, only on progressive democracies.
Interesting to know what does Serbia get out of this freeze. I recon that this freeze will not suit Serbia too since Serbia is the neighbouring sate of Kosova and this freeze can very easily effect them too.
Lets see, what are the benefits for Serbia from being Russian puppet for their gains in Georgia. Not that I am glad but, I am sure that these cloud of freeze will be not very far from freeze in Serbia too. God help us.
(Olf, 26 August 2008 13:44)
How independent are you Ben?
(Marko, 26 August 2008 13:51)
Let's see your question in mirror:
Will your Serbian Gov.t FINALLY DECLARE THAT SUPPORTS THE TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY OF GEORGIA???
Now it is Russia that needs to speak- preferably unanimously as they did yesterday. If Russia wants’ to e be an important factor in the international arena needs to take care about her reputation. Hence no double standards: recognise Kosova and Chechnya too.
I think that the alleged 'freezing' process will be defreezed by RUSSIA.
(ben, 26 August 2008 14:39)
Well I am not good politician, as I can see some of you guys here; I don’t know what your profession is in real life,
but thanks GOD you don’t lead any country if would be a some kind of disaster,
You don’t have any right to talk bad about people and judge them on wrong way, of course you will defend your country with anything you have, but can’t you see, everything is on the table (Black & White),
You are saying that Kosovo is Serbia, is that why you made the wars with Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, because they belonged to Serbia, I don’t know do you know that you have numerous of you own people that don’t want Kosovo,
Do you know how many people died in those wars, on their own home land, own houses, you don’t know nothing because you did not feel it you was not there to see, that’s why. Stop talking about people rights, when they got buried deep in the ground during wars. You know …you keep forgetting that there is a GOD, if you are believer.
(Earth-, 26 August 2008 14:40)
Do you know the answer and are afraid of it?
(marko, 26 August 2008 23:13)
Marko: Serbian FMA never mentioned GEORGIA. It needs to me more clear and unambiguous in that.
However, you got my personal opinion- Yes.
About official Pristina: I don’t know what they will do but certainly I would be inclined to wait that Russia recognise Kosova first and withdraw the veto in UNSC and than recognise SO- I would be very very careful in the case of Abkhazia since it was Georgians that were ethnically cleansed there and the ethnic equilibrium was broken by force- same that Serbia wanted to do in Kosova in 1999.
So SO yes, Abkhazia NO.
(ben, 27 August 2008 12:11)
Kosovo independence is yesterday's news and with a dismal number of recognitions, it only confirms this land is simply occupied Serbian territory.
With the third wave of recognitions (this month) producing only a small number of islands and mini-states acknowledging this illegal puppet entity, it is now clear that the independence movement is dead.
The sooner the Albanians realise this reality the better.
(ZK UK, 26 August 2008 12:05)
Mathematicly there have been 8 recognitions per month since indipendence was declared. With this rate after one year Kosovo is going to be a state for 142 countries. Long time but worth the wait.
(AS TIA, 26 August 2008 21:27)
With the Russians actions recently the Serbs must understand that they don't really have a natural friend in the world so the best thing to do is, sit in the negotiation table as two good neighbours for the good interest of Serbs in Kosovo and Albanians in Preshevo valley.the only countries that have sided with Serbia are countries with their own problems in regard to self-determination of nations.Are countries with problems of their own your friends
(pleurat, 27 August 2008 20:52)
Dear PRN,
You are so short-sighted, that you simply forget that there is no history backing you up on this one: Kosovo, Serbia (your country), S.O. and A. belonging to G.... all of them have to learn to listen to the voices abroad. So far only Serbia did... Are we happy about it? - No, not really, as we learnt, long time ago that we are a small country - did you all exercise the same discipline, by any chance?
(and, 27 August 2008 09:52)
Dear "and"
Everything I say is fully documented, and backed up by millions of historical evidences and ANY individual smart enough can confirm my claims by reading unbiased documents from international historians.
(PRN, 27 August 2008 14:44)
The inhabitants of Kosovo were in such a hurry to declare independence, their "leaders" failed to look at the entire picture.
To date, my thoughts still stand - Kosovo is Serbia. If there was any type of declaration that was to be made, it should have been equal to that of Puerto Rico & the US; still an integral part of Serbia, but autonomus.
The funny part of this separation is that Kosovo passports aren't recognized by the surrounding countries so where are these inhabitants going - nowhere fast.
There will be no further recognition or help to Kosovo as it's status is low on the totem pole of reality. Thaci had his five minutes of fame - done & over with - now he must beg for help, as there is no oil, natural resources only instability, drug trade & illegalities. The government contains figure heads that are all criminals & no one has time or patience for this mosquito called Thachi. Any action taken towards Kosovo will be out of pity for their ridiculous decision.
(GSP, 26 August 2008 13:39)
"do you think that the Kosovo government will recognize the Georgian Sepertatist regions (...) or do you think that the puppets in Pristina will cower and do as they are told by Washington."
That is a very interesting question Marko. I look forward to see the answer(s), both from the posters here, and in the headlines.
I hope the answer will be along the lines of "independence for everyone, twice on Mondays".
--
(Jan Andersen, DK, 26 August 2008 16:22)
my question to you remains; is Kosovo commited to the self determination of all people and is it prepared to offer the people of the breakaway georgian territories its recognition, despite its masters in Washington.
(Marko, 26 August 2008 18:31)
Capital letters are only for the purpose to underline the important parts that the Serbian camp flies above like nothing- not for shouting.
You still miss the point. Where do you get the impression that I would be against the recognition of SO and Abkhasia? see my post #5.
If it is up for me I would give Zubuin Potok and Leposavic in north to Serbia and swap it fro the Presheva’s valley. Neither Serbia has the trust of Albanians in the Presheva valley neither Kosova is trusted by Serbs in the north. So, why forcing things?
However, Kosova is a small issue here and in much weaker position than Serbia.
Will Serbia recognise or not the independence of SO and Abkhazia will change nothing in the ground- as it will never have anything to say in Kosova's life.
Now it is the question of being principled in her positions and declare that Serbia supports the territorial integrity of Georgia.
Will the puppets in Belgrade dear to go against their masters and historical defender: the wild bear???
(ben, 26 August 2008 20:32)
Tesla: "The only hindrance to this is the chronic lack of education and meaningful skills that are necessary in the competitive market of the EU."
Let's see: "According to statistics from the Education Ministry, nearly 50 percent of Serbian citizens never finished elementary schooling"
[link] As for you wishing that all Albanians leave, it shows that the Serb old way of thinking is still there, the same way that lost you all parts, from Slovenia to Kosovo. Worry about populating Vojvodina and Sandzak with Serbs, leave Kosova alone. It's over, for every Albanian that dies five are born. Albanians have waited a long time and are in no rush.
(Alban, 27 August 2008 00:42)
While it is obvious that Surroi is one of the better Kosovo Albanian politicians you have to wonder.
How on earth can one be a journalist, analyst and a leader of a political party at the same time?
I understand that Surroi moved into politics through a sense of national duty but he can't just step back into his old role through disappointment at his lack of political success.
Surroi is right on this, but he has been saying this for a while now. Having made a lot of money, he now no longer needs backing from Washington and Brussels and is operating 'in the wild'.
That means 'foreigners leave' and whipping up Kosovo Albanian discontent to this end by talking about the division of Kosovo.
He may be rich, elitist and essentially a nationalist, but I'd still rather that he led Kosovo Albanians, rather than former warlords.
(bganon, 26 August 2008 12:21)
Ben, Speaking of double standards, do you think that the Kosovo government will recognize the Georgian Sepertatist regions becuase they value "every people's right to self determiniation", or do you think that the puppets in Pristina will cower and do as they are told by Washington.
How independent are you Ben?
(Marko, 26 August 2008 13:51)
It will not happen, but nevertheless I really would like to see that the US, the EU countries, and a lot of other countries recognized the 2 new states: South Ossetia and Abchasia. Recognized them, established diplomatic missions, and began to throw money around with the clear intention of convincing the population and the politicians that NATO was the best thing ever since sliced bread. And then watch Moscow's reaction when they suddenly have 2 new NATO members at their borders.
(Jan Andersen, DK, 26 August 2008 16:31)
Wooohoo, so much ado about one single statement by a person that has no influence over the political scene of Kosovo and wants to regain influence by giving fiery declarations. For those uninformed, at the moment the Government in Prishtina is selecting the names of first Ambassadors (Charges d'affairs) of Kosovo abroad and there are increasing rumors that the present Minister of Foreign will be replaced soon. So, Mr. Surroi is just flaging his own name as interested in becoming either new MoF or at least an Ambassador to US, UK or Brussels.
I mean, people, try to analyze the issues before you jump to conclusions.
(Ron, 26 August 2008 18:10)
USA /EU will unfreeze it for us. Kosova's foreign policy is non-existant of course so thank god for US /EU. Eventually we will get there.
(Dashnori i Ceces
Then you are in real, real trouble. Waiting for someone to solve your problems won’t lead you forward but right into disaster. The best solution for the Albanians was proposal by the Serbian negotiation team, remember Hong Kong, Åland Islands. You would be running your affairs much more independently than you will ever experience under NATO and EULEX in the province.
(bmrusila, 26 August 2008 16:35)
I think Mr Surroi is bang on the button. This is the first signs of an indication of dissatisfaction among Pristina's chattering classes that reality is slowly dawning on them. If Kosmet's Albanians really want to progress both social, economical and political then they need to reopen negotiations with Belgrade to resolve the status of the province.
One thing is clear, the current situation is a non runner long term as the illegal status will perpetuate and compound Kosmet's Albanian population. Serbian diplomacy has effectively put a skid on Pristina's aspirations and the only way out is back to the table for jaw-jaw.
How long will we see the chattering classes start to grumble loudly and heap pressure on Thaci and Sejdiu to get the thumbs out of their collective arses.
(Niall O'Doherty, 26 August 2008 13:24)
This is the first sober statement I've read from the albanian side. I can even agree with much of this statement. If they keep sobering up then maybe even a reasonable dialog will be possible soon.
(kufr, 26 August 2008 12:37)
well here is my take n surroi's message: i agee that the new republic of kosova needs a strong and assertive (not aggressive)foreign policy, in conjunction with its democratic allies, to counter certain aggressive and invasive neighbors. i've said this before myself -- THey have their harvard-educated propagandist running around the world at a dizzying rate -- hey, if its good for the goose, it is good for the gander. the same thing with the court case -- there needs to be a variety of actions against belgrade in the world court for actions committed over the last decade. it is not for me to design and engineer this or these lawsuits, but it is time to get a move on... and it is time to put pressure, big-time, on belgrade to locate, and exhume (?) the bodies of some 2,000 still missing albanians from kosovo/a -- i am sick of the hurry up and wait, as are some thousands of families.
from critics of any nationality or ethnicity, we need to take what is appropriate and valid, and discard what is merely self-serving.
thank you.
roberto
frisco/sarajevo
robertoruss@yahoo.com
(roberto, 27 August 2008 02:55)
Two interesting things from this rather short article,
1. K Albanian leaders seem to claim a chunk of ther rationality back when they are not in power. Ceku said that about two weeks ago and now we have Surroi, who is probably the closest thing to an actual politician in Kosovo Province. It's interesting how we hear criticism coming from the opposition, and delusional statements coming from Sejdiu and Thaci.
2. The kneejerk reactions from our Albanians friends here have all placed their complete and utter hope of "unfreezing" the situation on the US. This basically confirms Surroi's criticism that the K Albanians have no initiative of their own, and must rely on other people to do their own work. How does this make you either democratic or independent?
(Mike, 26 August 2008 16:38)
that's like saying that I will NEVER depend on my landlord again. (un)fortunately the law requires me to pay rent which isn't your case. and 'my people' don't own the next door apartment so if my landlord decided to kick me out, i would actually have no place to go. imagine that.
(Slav, 26 August 2008 14:50)
You bet it will happen!! and it will start in september after ICJ confirms the kosovo UDI unjustified.
These "shameful" 46 states will start re-thinking their recognition and eventually will call for return to the negotiating table on status.
(Jevic, 26 August 2008 15:57)
100 % with you on this one.
I had post ready to send of similar content re: # of self-recommendations PRN is able to post in the record time.
This is realy the "UNIQUE CASE - PRN only" - all rights reserved.
(dd, 27 August 2008 20:13)
(peter, sydney, 27 August 2008 17:18),
&
(dd, 27 August 2008 20:13)
Dear Peter and 'dd',
I think you care more about quantity of my reccommendation rather than with the quality of comment.
It is a shame and very childish from you both. I never look at reccommendation because I dont care, and moreover they do not represent a qualitative comment anyway.
BTW, I am repeating FOR THE LAST TIME, that I know much more people that check B92 news/read-comments that you may think. Do you think I should worry whether they like my comments or recommend???
(PRN, 28 August 2008 15:00)
PRN:
> BTW, I am repeating FOR THE LAST TIME, that I know much more people that check B92 news/read-comments that you may think.
If we are to take you at your word, then you have some sort of 'fan base' that all happens to be on-line shortly after you post a comment.
And this 'fan base', strangely enough, only seems to think your comments are worthy of recomendation, irrespective of allegience.
And this 'fan base' isn't just a few people.. if you are to be believed, we're talking about something on the order of up to 50 people.
Do you see just how unlikely a proposition this is 'PRN'?
If you really want to be taken seriously youngster, then start acting like a grown-up, or you will find that more & more people will simply ignore you, & more importantly - ignore what you have to say.
And that would be a shame.
(peter, sydney, 30 August 2008 09:04)
Mr.Surroi,I have voted for you twice.I have supported you since you have founded "ORA"!
Now I am very disappointed with your comments,you are a bad looser!
In the last election you didn't make it to parliament!That's tell you that you are not cut for this!
We are Albanians and we should stick one for another,your comments divides us and make our future not so clear!
I have never supported Thaci,but he is one of us,we are in this together,you are forgetting how we lost our loved ones!!!
Money and wealth is good,but look what is doing to Russians,they forgot what is the most important thing in the World,to respect another human beings!!!
Peace and Love from London!
(louie, 27 August 2008 01:27)
Dear PRN,
You are so short-sighted, that you simply forget that there is no history backing you up on this one: Kosovo, Serbia (your country), S.O. and A. belonging to G.... all of them have to learn to listen to the voices abroad. So far only Serbia did... Are we happy about it? - No, not really, as we learnt, long time ago that we are a small country - did you all exercise the same discipline, by any chance?
(and, 27 August 2008 09:52)
Best name on here. As for the topic lets just wait and see what unfolds over the coming days...It's gonna be interesting.
(Bahrain Bound, 26 August 2008 18:32)
veton surroi is no doubt intelligent,but the problem is that he is always wrong with his statement:he was a yu socialist member when time was to be in oposition,he was for autonomy when time was for independence,he was against uck when time was to be with uck,he was in the fields when time was to be in town,he is againdt this gvt when time is to be united and push for new recognisation...
It is strange to see how each time we have a serbian offensive,we have veton's declaration that most of the time are not in favor of the albanians,very strange indeed!His old serbian connections with stanicic and co , may be ,are asking him to still be active from time !
Veton surroi has got what he deserve during the last elections,and with no doubt the message that the albanian population send to him was very clear!
(lili, 26 August 2008 21:30)
Serbia should say that she backs any UNSC resolution on the status of the two.
Shades of grey.
In an unfortunate minute in which Serbia would do such a thing as recognising, she should not even dare to ask others for support on Kosovo anymore.
(adrian/bucharest, 26 August 2008 20:45)
don´t worry, it will take more time, not only to heal wounds on both sides, but also for the K-albanians to realize that they are constantly being duped.
so, Mr.Surroi is perhaps only saying what others already know for a longer time, but do not dare to admit.
let´s just see what future brings, and ... the warm breeze is helping Serbia, as it seems. ;)
(Jovan, 27 August 2008 01:43)
Kosovo's independence may become real no sooner than the Serbs agree the conditions and nothing can save the Albanians from negotiating them. Serbia is even more important for the K-people than Russia and the US. But the Snakes have encornered themselves and their people.
Evidently Serbian elites find themselves in a very difficult situation with the fast changing status quo in the Caucasus. But wherever they have their salaries from Serbian ruling class members cannot forget that they have only one reliable ally. Then sooner or later we shall find a solution for Kosovo and Metohjia too ...
.
(Oh those Russians !, 26 August 2008 18:20)
All this Kosovo/Georgia recognition is just a smoke screen for Russia's big ambition, hold the West by the short and curlies for energy supplies.
Recognition gives Bush & Co a little taste of their own medicine and they wont recognise Chechnya...well I dont think so anyway
And maybe alternativley Russia and Serbia's plan is to partition Kosovo...well why not when Kosovo Albanians declare UDI, Serbs can do what they want too.
And so let's look also at Cyprus....and other regions as if it's Green light time for breakaway republics then we'll see a ripple effect elsewhere.
(Djuro UK, 26 August 2008 15:35)
"I believe that Russia as responsible country, will continua with here principle position and recognise Kosova too and maybe Chechnya in near future. (ben, 26 August 2008 13:17)"
Ben, I'm sure Russia considers Georgia a "unique" case that has no bearing on Kosovo. Two can play at that silly game.
"And maybe alternativley Russia and Serbia's plan is to partition Kosovo...well why not when Kosovo Albanians declare UDI, Serbs can do what they want too. (Djuro UK, 26 August 2008 15:35)"
Clearly all of Serbia's recent actions point to partition, good observation Djuro.
(Matthew, 26 August 2008 16:53)
Will your Serbian Gov.t FINALLY DECLARE THAT SUPPORTS THE TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY OF GEORGIA??? "
First I am not sure of why you are shouting and why it is okay with B-92
With respect to Serbias support of Georgia's soveriengty I remind you that Serbian politicians of every stripe have long warned that Kosovo' UDI sets a dangerous precident in places such as spain, France, Georgia etc. Further it is hightly improbable that Serbia would recognise the partion of Georgia, as this would contradict vital Serbian policies and interests. Unlike the U.S., Russia will not force it's own allies to recognise the break away Georgian regions.
my question to you remains; is Kosovo commited to the self determination of all people and is it prepared to offer the people of the breakaway georgian territories its recognition, despite its masters in Washington.
(Marko, 26 August 2008 18:31)
This will get rather interesting.
From BBC “Late on Monday, the US state department had warned that recognition of the XXX provinces' independence would be "a violation of XXXX territorial integrity" and "inconsistent with international law".
(Gunar Knutt-Knob, 26 August 2008 16:18)
US and EU are busy with Russia trying to do the same thing that Nato did in 1999 that is currently happening in South Ossetia. Georgia tried to use force and Russia like Nato Crushed Georgia. Now the US and Nato are eating the same dinner that Nato served Serbia but now Russia has the EU because of the Natural Gas they provide.
(OBAMA 08, 26 August 2008 13:43)
Dashnori i Ceces:
> USA /EU will unfreeze it for us.
That 'hill' that US/EU are trying to climb while carrying 'pseudo-state' on it's collective back is getting steeper & steeper. Eventually, they'll dump you in sheer frustration.
ben:
'Republic of Kosovo' a genuine democracy? Your optimism appears to be clouding your judgement. Any K-albanian election is a foregone conclusion. Ex-KLA thugs will see to that.
At least serbian elections aren't predictable.
Russia recognising 'pseudo-state' because it has recognised South Ossetia & Abkhazia? There is a certain point when blind optimism becomes wishful thinking.
Expecting consistency from major powers these days seems to be a thing of the past.
Tex Willer:
> Don't worry because the warm wind start to blow from Caucasus.
Must be thinking of all that 'hot air' coming from 'Condi' & the state dep't.
Jan Anderson:
Was just writing about living in the land of 'make believe' & up pop's your latest comment. Prophetic :)
Djuro UK:
Amusing link. Liked the quote from the georgian minister for reintegration best - appears to think Georgia is still 'at war' with Russia.
(peter, sydney, 26 August 2008 17:53)
Russia tried everything to stress the importance of International Law and Justice – but was ignored and laughed at every time when tried to explain obvious and logical thing – UDI is shameful and its supporters - “strong” nations are violators of Law and Justice.
Russia said what will happen and what that UDI support will bring to the World affairs.
West asked for it and got the respectable opposition player plays on their Rules and Standards.
Now – when Russia recognized independence – it’s 2 way forward:
1. Russia to ask West to reverse recognition of Kosovo and they will reverse their decision of recognition of SO and Abkhazia. – same standards for everybody or trigger more chaos in other parts of the World – maybe that is what US wants with all unsolvable problems at home – crush of financial and housing markets, unemployment, increasing debt, losing wars in Afghanistan and Iraq etc.
2. Russia and Serbia recognize Kosovo – south of Ibar (partition) and Kosovo and West accept and recognize reality on the ground. It will be ball in Kosovo field expecting to stop playing on double standards and recognize SO and Abkhazia and reality on the ground and partition of Kosovo.
Both options are bad for the World, and Kosovo – and bring more anarchy and chaos, just because of America experiment and investment in Bondsteel and Kosovars who accept the game to play with fire again.
Third and the most possible options is frozen conflict in Kosovo - die hard and live in misery and poverty forever and enjoy "supervised independence" - just liberty and prosperity in increasing the population size - but they had it all before and more.
(dd, 26 August 2008 20:29)
AS TIA:
> Mathematicly there have been 8 recognitions per month since indipendence was declared. With this rate after one year Kosovo is going to be a state for 142 countries.
Using this logic, one could also say the following:
Since 17 countries recognised UDI in the first week, all 192 countries should have recognised by about the 6th of May, 2008...
Or, since 26 countries recognised UDI in the first month, 164 countries should have recognised by now etc.
Reality is that as time goes on, fewer countries will recognise.
In the first 3 months, 40 countries recognised. In the following 3 months - just 5. And during the present quarter, count stands at 1.
> Long time but worth the wait.
The 'wait' will be longer than you think.. a lot longer... or as the title of this article says....
"Kosovo's status freezing".
(peter, sydney, 27 August 2008 06:28)
We do not care, after all what Serbia does, because Kosovo future NEVER again will be dependent from Serbia. We depend, from the for the time being, only on progressive democracies.
It is still part of Serbia ,read UNSRC 1244,it is de facto an occupied part of Southern Serbia and you know that,that`s why you are coming on Serbian sites.
(CG, 27 August 2008 14:47)
PRN:
> Everything I say is fully documented, and backed up by millions of historical evidences and ANY individual smart enough can confirm my claims by reading unbiased documents from international historians.
Don't usually bother to reply to or even read what you've written these days as is usually a waste of my time. But since you are defending your 'credibility', will make an exception.
Tell me please, how is it that in the space of a couple of hours since your above post (#49) appeared, you have managed to garner more recommendations (21 as I am writing this) on one of yesterdays topics, than anyone else has managed to receive for any of todays current topics (with the exception of yourself of course)?
Are you really so insecure in your 'opinions' that you believe that in order to gain respect from your peers, you need all those 'self-recommendations?
Most of the people who comment on this site are fairly intelligent. Do you really believe that they don't see through you?
(peter, sydney, 27 August 2008 17:18)
"Third and the most possible options is frozen conflict in Kosovo - die hard and live in misery and poverty forever and enjoy "supervised independence" - just liberty and prosperity in increasing the population size - but they had it all before and more.
(dd, 26 August 2008 20:29) "
The best way to escape this entrenched misery is for all of the Albanian youth under 50 to migrate to EU countries for a new life. This will solve both economic and demographic problems that would go unresolved for centuries to come.
I predict that easy migration to the EU will be a blessing in disguise for Serbian interests.
The only hindrance to this is the chronic lack of education and meaningful skills that are necessary in the competitive market of the EU. Attitude and work ethic go a long way as well. A welfare society that was heavily subsidized does not easily adjust.
(tesla, 26 August 2008 22:19)
Ben, as I predicted the Serbian government Ministry of Foreign Affairs has answered the question you posed to Serbs; they will not recognize the Georgian Breakaway regions- Official Belgrade respects international law and has a principled policy of preservation of sovereignty and territorial integrity of internationally recognized states, above all of the Republic of Serbia," the statement concludes.
My question remains to you, will the UDI authorities follow their principles and the wishes of Kosovo residents such as your self and recgonize the Georgian breakaway regions, or will Pristina do as it is told.
Do you know the answer and are afraid of it?
(marko, 26 August 2008 23:13)
"It's over, for every Albanian that dies five are born. Albanians have waited a long time and are in no rush.
(Alban, 27 August 2008 00:42)"
Serbs never coveted Slovenian land. This is why the the JNA left without any serious altercations. Serbs have no significant historical or cultural roots in Slovenia. On the other hand, Kosovo is Srbija, now and forever.
Demographics always shift and change throughout history, and all I am saying is that certain factors will influence demographics in Kosovo which will be more favourable for Serbian interests.
In regards to Serbs wishing Albans to leave Kosovo, you need to ask yourself why this is so. Have you people done all you can to integrate into Serbian society throughout history, and have you been loyal to Yugoslav/Serbian citizens. History shows you haven't.
Albans need to learn from our Roma and other minorities on how to successfully integrate into Serbian society, otherwise eternal conflict will result since Kosovo is the eternal home and Jerusalem of Serbs.
As Kennedy implied, you need to change your historical attitude about what Serbia should do for you, or what you can get from it, and instead ask: "what can I do for my country?" Your country is Serbia whether you like it or not.
The fact is that sheer power and force of will is what determines outcomes in the Balkans. Serbia is more powerful than Albania both militarily and economically, and this will not change for a very long time. It is unwise to bang your head against a wall as the Universal Serbian sentiment is that Kosovo je Srbija. The sooner you realize this, the sooner you will lift yourselves out of abject poverty.
The question now is since your politicians have put you in this dire predicament, how can we organize the funds and political will to resettle you throughout Europe so that you can start a new and happy life for once. The west can truly help Albans with this focus instead of applying “band-aid” solutions to cultural/geographical difficiencies that exist in Kosovo. Kosovo does not have any of the essential and necesssary resources that nation-states need in order to survive.
(tesla, 27 August 2008 06:25)