PRIŠTINA -- Kosovo Prime Minister Hashim Thaci says Kosovo’s goal is to become a member of the United Nations.
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UNMIK chief Joakim Ruecker said that the UN mission did not expect any problems or violence, and expected stability and peace in the coming days and weeks in Kosovo.
He said that UNMIK was prepared for every scenario and that all security forces parallel to theirs in Kosovo would be considered illegal.
“That is our red line, and we have said this many times,” the UNMIK chief said.
KFOR Commander Xavier Bout de Marnhac said that NATO forces would continue to guarantee peace in Kosovo in the coming days.
Thaci did not mention the exact date of the independence declaration, but added that independence was already a “done deal” and that the Kosovo institutions would fulfill their constitutional obligations.
You cannot ignore the UN charter and international law at will, then expect to be part of that body.
Kosovo if it declares independence will be an illegal state, as any moves will be nullified by Serbia. It can be recognized 100 times by USA, it will NOT get a seat in the UN.
Serbia's borders are recognized by UN - including Kosovo, therefore Kosovo is part of Serbia, and cannot hold an independent seat within UN.
I know that the words resolution 1244, UN charter, international law..etc don't make any sense to you on their own.
Heres your chance to put them into perspective.
(BKK, 16 February 2008 20:24)
Mike, peggy, just a short note.
Kosova/o willl be voted on General Assembly. Russia can NOT, I repeat can NOT stop it, since all the members of the general Assembly will vote on it.
China was inducted on UN by the sponsorship of Albania, by the way. Maybe its time to return the favor?!
Mike, sometimes if you are at the point further away from the problem its easier to see the problem and analyze it.
I'm sure, you, being in Belgrade right now are not being realistic.
Cheers.
(lazer, nyc, usa, 16 February 2008 01:10)
My rhetoric has largely remained the same. It's just that things are finally coming to a head, and things that are in motion cannot be undone but they could still cause large degrees of instability.
Nevertheless, if Kosovo gains a seat at the UN it will mean that either Russia or China did not veto its membership. Right now, that would mean a number of compromises are reached on the ground. But as it stands now, whether you, I, or anyone else likes it or not, Kosovo's presence at the UN is still largely limited.
Take Taiwan for instance. China will always block its membership. Russia says it will do the same for Kosovo. So again, Thaci can say what he wants, but reality is currently dictating otherwise.
(Mike, 15 February 2008 17:58)
One way or the other the time has come and Kosovo will declare Independance sometime over the weekend, this is Thaci's and he will make sure no one will steal it from him, there will be dancing in Mother Teresa St, (newly done at the cost of millions not counting some that disapeared into someone's pocket)there will be a big huge cake with the map of Kosovo on it, friendly fire by shooting AK 47's into the air, drinking, fireworks (which will be good because the power is out so much it will help us see what's going on)and the word Independence, not forgetting the flag and athem, this will last for 2 or 3 days, the at some stage the EU will come in, with people who know nothing about the region, put into positions they don't deserve to be in, taking American money to keep the mission going but not giving American's any decent job's, but the EU won't make the same mistakes as they did in Bosina, (right!! it will be worse) and lastly all of a sudden a few months down the road, people will start to realize that things have not changed, power is still as bad, no job's, food prices have gone up, more corrubtion,more poverty and who will they blame then?? the Serb's are gone, so is UNMIK, I guess the EU will get the blame, because god forbid they would blame themselves, Independence or not nothing will change, after 6 years of being here I say leave them to it.
(Jayne Pristina, 15 February 2008 17:53)
Blero, Lazer and the rest who think that Kosovo has a chance of being accepted in the UN I say, have you forgotten about Russia?
Russia will block you every time.
Why get ahead of yourselves? You won't get that far anyway.
First you have to get independence (I mean real independence in the UN) and then you can think about joining the UN.
Since you have a snow flake's chance in hell of getting that independence through UN, you have as much chance of having a seat in the UN.
(peggy, 15 February 2008 14:24)
"In 6-12 months, lets say september, Kosova as the newest STATE in the world will be offered a seat at the UN. It will be sponsored by GB or USA (your adopted country).
(lazer, nyc, usa, 15 February 2008 13:18)"
6 to 12 months???? ..... now that's really wishful thinking! Don't believe? Ask the Taiwanese - they waited 36 years ..... and are stil waiting .....
(lowe, 15 February 2008 14:24)
Ok pplz. I'd just like to let you all konw that you can't get a seat in the UN because of the Russian and Chinese veto. That means
1)You can't have your own flag (legally)
2)You can't have your own national anthem (legally)
3)And the land on which you are making your country will legally be a part of Serbia.
@Kim Sweden
There haven't been many attempts to take a country's territory by force since the UN was founded. And none have been recognized. The last time this happened was when Germany took a part of Chehoslovakia, and that set of WW2.
Signing off, Crveni Vuk
(Crveni Vuk, 15 February 2008 14:14)
Mike, Thaci has been in the UNSC closed session.
The UN has tours in every language, you can go and visit the UN general Assembly and watch the session live from the Gallery up there.
In 6-12 months, lets say september, Kosova as the newest STATE in the world will be offered a seat at the UN. It will be sponsored by GB or USA (your adopted country).
I am very surprized, Mike that since you are in Serbia right now, how much you have changed your rethoric.
Regardless, Kosova/o is becoming INDEPENDENT, and I hope that all the peoples of the Balkans live in peace with each other.
(lazer, nyc, usa, 15 February 2008 13:18)
Only a month ago the pro-Serb camp was laughing when the independence was mentioned.
Well one thing is encouraging.
The fact that the same camp is no more advocating against the independence (as it is a done deal), but against the Kosova UN membership is something special.
The day of independence is here.
Shortly the day we join the UN will arrive. You never know, we might just pull that one as well.
In all the honesty, personally I am not bothered when we will join the UN.
What the Kosova should prioritise is the wellbeing of its citizens.
Give people jobs, rights and future prospects and everybody will be happy.
UN membership is merely a symbol to hang one the wall in my opinion.
(blero, 15 February 2008 09:46)
Independence from Serbia is the beggining and the end, all the rest, UN membership, economic blocades, is details which will be solved in due time.
(Nick KS, 15 February 2008 01:11)
One thing at the time!
Once we are going to be independent,hard work will come.
I think,we(Albanians)will be just fine.
My wish is the Big Day to end without any provocations.
Albanians are in Europe and are getting what they deserve.
Gezuar and Ziveli!
No hard feelings!
(louie, 15 February 2008 00:03)
Perhaps we can offer Thaqi the Kingdom of Gondor as Maidens from Rohan ride to the rescue with UN Charter in Hand. May Gandalf bring you many blessings....
(Michael, 14 February 2008 23:10)
Mike name 10 countrys that got its go ahead from the security Council or better yet 1 before declaring inipendence and yet we have more then 150 countrys in the UN.
Kosovo Wont have a seat directly but it will get one in time
(Kim Sweden, 14 February 2008 22:29)
Kosovo is Serbia and it is in UN.Kosovo the way Thachi want`s it can wish for moon and he won`t get it.
But we will grant in trip to Hague and i`ll personally pay for that trip.
Everything else is tripping talk.
(lids, 14 February 2008 21:53)
So Thaci wants UN membership but is planning on declaring an independent country outside the UN.
Here's how it works: you get your independence through the UN and you can pretty much guarantee a seat in the UN. If it's not through the UN, the only way Thaci can see the inside of the General Assembly is if he comes as a tourist.
I'm sure they give guided tours in Albanian.
(Mike, 14 February 2008 21:51)
So Thaci wants UN membership but is planning on declaring an independent country outside the UN.
Here's how it works: you get your independence through the UN and you can pretty much guarantee a seat in the UN. If it's not through the UN, the only way Thaci can see the inside of the General Assembly is if he comes as a tourist.
I'm sure they give guided tours in Albanian.
(Mike, 14 February 2008 21:51)
Kosovo is Serbia and it is in UN.Kosovo the way Thachi want`s it can wish for moon and he won`t get it.
But we will grant in trip to Hague and i`ll personally pay for that trip.
Everything else is tripping talk.
(lids, 14 February 2008 21:53)
Perhaps we can offer Thaqi the Kingdom of Gondor as Maidens from Rohan ride to the rescue with UN Charter in Hand. May Gandalf bring you many blessings....
(Michael, 14 February 2008 23:10)
One thing at the time!
Once we are going to be independent,hard work will come.
I think,we(Albanians)will be just fine.
My wish is the Big Day to end without any provocations.
Albanians are in Europe and are getting what they deserve.
Gezuar and Ziveli!
No hard feelings!
(louie, 15 February 2008 00:03)
Only a month ago the pro-Serb camp was laughing when the independence was mentioned.
Well one thing is encouraging.
The fact that the same camp is no more advocating against the independence (as it is a done deal), but against the Kosova UN membership is something special.
The day of independence is here.
Shortly the day we join the UN will arrive. You never know, we might just pull that one as well.
In all the honesty, personally I am not bothered when we will join the UN.
What the Kosova should prioritise is the wellbeing of its citizens.
Give people jobs, rights and future prospects and everybody will be happy.
UN membership is merely a symbol to hang one the wall in my opinion.
(blero, 15 February 2008 09:46)
Independence from Serbia is the beggining and the end, all the rest, UN membership, economic blocades, is details which will be solved in due time.
(Nick KS, 15 February 2008 01:11)
Mike name 10 countrys that got its go ahead from the security Council or better yet 1 before declaring inipendence and yet we have more then 150 countrys in the UN.
Kosovo Wont have a seat directly but it will get one in time
(Kim Sweden, 14 February 2008 22:29)
Mike, Thaci has been in the UNSC closed session.
The UN has tours in every language, you can go and visit the UN general Assembly and watch the session live from the Gallery up there.
In 6-12 months, lets say september, Kosova as the newest STATE in the world will be offered a seat at the UN. It will be sponsored by GB or USA (your adopted country).
I am very surprized, Mike that since you are in Serbia right now, how much you have changed your rethoric.
Regardless, Kosova/o is becoming INDEPENDENT, and I hope that all the peoples of the Balkans live in peace with each other.
(lazer, nyc, usa, 15 February 2008 13:18)
"In 6-12 months, lets say september, Kosova as the newest STATE in the world will be offered a seat at the UN. It will be sponsored by GB or USA (your adopted country).
(lazer, nyc, usa, 15 February 2008 13:18)"
6 to 12 months???? ..... now that's really wishful thinking! Don't believe? Ask the Taiwanese - they waited 36 years ..... and are stil waiting .....
(lowe, 15 February 2008 14:24)
You cannot ignore the UN charter and international law at will, then expect to be part of that body.
Kosovo if it declares independence will be an illegal state, as any moves will be nullified by Serbia. It can be recognized 100 times by USA, it will NOT get a seat in the UN.
Serbia's borders are recognized by UN - including Kosovo, therefore Kosovo is part of Serbia, and cannot hold an independent seat within UN.
I know that the words resolution 1244, UN charter, international law..etc don't make any sense to you on their own.
Heres your chance to put them into perspective.
(BKK, 16 February 2008 20:24)
Blero, Lazer and the rest who think that Kosovo has a chance of being accepted in the UN I say, have you forgotten about Russia?
Russia will block you every time.
Why get ahead of yourselves? You won't get that far anyway.
First you have to get independence (I mean real independence in the UN) and then you can think about joining the UN.
Since you have a snow flake's chance in hell of getting that independence through UN, you have as much chance of having a seat in the UN.
(peggy, 15 February 2008 14:24)
Ok pplz. I'd just like to let you all konw that you can't get a seat in the UN because of the Russian and Chinese veto. That means
1)You can't have your own flag (legally)
2)You can't have your own national anthem (legally)
3)And the land on which you are making your country will legally be a part of Serbia.
@Kim Sweden
There haven't been many attempts to take a country's territory by force since the UN was founded. And none have been recognized. The last time this happened was when Germany took a part of Chehoslovakia, and that set of WW2.
Signing off, Crveni Vuk
(Crveni Vuk, 15 February 2008 14:14)
One way or the other the time has come and Kosovo will declare Independance sometime over the weekend, this is Thaci's and he will make sure no one will steal it from him, there will be dancing in Mother Teresa St, (newly done at the cost of millions not counting some that disapeared into someone's pocket)there will be a big huge cake with the map of Kosovo on it, friendly fire by shooting AK 47's into the air, drinking, fireworks (which will be good because the power is out so much it will help us see what's going on)and the word Independence, not forgetting the flag and athem, this will last for 2 or 3 days, the at some stage the EU will come in, with people who know nothing about the region, put into positions they don't deserve to be in, taking American money to keep the mission going but not giving American's any decent job's, but the EU won't make the same mistakes as they did in Bosina, (right!! it will be worse) and lastly all of a sudden a few months down the road, people will start to realize that things have not changed, power is still as bad, no job's, food prices have gone up, more corrubtion,more poverty and who will they blame then?? the Serb's are gone, so is UNMIK, I guess the EU will get the blame, because god forbid they would blame themselves, Independence or not nothing will change, after 6 years of being here I say leave them to it.
(Jayne Pristina, 15 February 2008 17:53)
My rhetoric has largely remained the same. It's just that things are finally coming to a head, and things that are in motion cannot be undone but they could still cause large degrees of instability.
Nevertheless, if Kosovo gains a seat at the UN it will mean that either Russia or China did not veto its membership. Right now, that would mean a number of compromises are reached on the ground. But as it stands now, whether you, I, or anyone else likes it or not, Kosovo's presence at the UN is still largely limited.
Take Taiwan for instance. China will always block its membership. Russia says it will do the same for Kosovo. So again, Thaci can say what he wants, but reality is currently dictating otherwise.
(Mike, 15 February 2008 17:58)
Mike, peggy, just a short note.
Kosova/o willl be voted on General Assembly. Russia can NOT, I repeat can NOT stop it, since all the members of the general Assembly will vote on it.
China was inducted on UN by the sponsorship of Albania, by the way. Maybe its time to return the favor?!
Mike, sometimes if you are at the point further away from the problem its easier to see the problem and analyze it.
I'm sure, you, being in Belgrade right now are not being realistic.
Cheers.
(lazer, nyc, usa, 16 February 2008 01:10)
One thing at the time!
Once we are going to be independent,hard work will come.
I think,we(Albanians)will be just fine.
My wish is the Big Day to end without any provocations.
Albanians are in Europe and are getting what they deserve.
Gezuar and Ziveli!
No hard feelings!
(louie, 15 February 2008 00:03)
Mike name 10 countrys that got its go ahead from the security Council or better yet 1 before declaring inipendence and yet we have more then 150 countrys in the UN.
Kosovo Wont have a seat directly but it will get one in time
(Kim Sweden, 14 February 2008 22:29)
Independence from Serbia is the beggining and the end, all the rest, UN membership, economic blocades, is details which will be solved in due time.
(Nick KS, 15 February 2008 01:11)
One way or the other the time has come and Kosovo will declare Independance sometime over the weekend, this is Thaci's and he will make sure no one will steal it from him, there will be dancing in Mother Teresa St, (newly done at the cost of millions not counting some that disapeared into someone's pocket)there will be a big huge cake with the map of Kosovo on it, friendly fire by shooting AK 47's into the air, drinking, fireworks (which will be good because the power is out so much it will help us see what's going on)and the word Independence, not forgetting the flag and athem, this will last for 2 or 3 days, the at some stage the EU will come in, with people who know nothing about the region, put into positions they don't deserve to be in, taking American money to keep the mission going but not giving American's any decent job's, but the EU won't make the same mistakes as they did in Bosina, (right!! it will be worse) and lastly all of a sudden a few months down the road, people will start to realize that things have not changed, power is still as bad, no job's, food prices have gone up, more corrubtion,more poverty and who will they blame then?? the Serb's are gone, so is UNMIK, I guess the EU will get the blame, because god forbid they would blame themselves, Independence or not nothing will change, after 6 years of being here I say leave them to it.
(Jayne Pristina, 15 February 2008 17:53)
Mike, Thaci has been in the UNSC closed session.
The UN has tours in every language, you can go and visit the UN general Assembly and watch the session live from the Gallery up there.
In 6-12 months, lets say september, Kosova as the newest STATE in the world will be offered a seat at the UN. It will be sponsored by GB or USA (your adopted country).
I am very surprized, Mike that since you are in Serbia right now, how much you have changed your rethoric.
Regardless, Kosova/o is becoming INDEPENDENT, and I hope that all the peoples of the Balkans live in peace with each other.
(lazer, nyc, usa, 15 February 2008 13:18)
Only a month ago the pro-Serb camp was laughing when the independence was mentioned.
Well one thing is encouraging.
The fact that the same camp is no more advocating against the independence (as it is a done deal), but against the Kosova UN membership is something special.
The day of independence is here.
Shortly the day we join the UN will arrive. You never know, we might just pull that one as well.
In all the honesty, personally I am not bothered when we will join the UN.
What the Kosova should prioritise is the wellbeing of its citizens.
Give people jobs, rights and future prospects and everybody will be happy.
UN membership is merely a symbol to hang one the wall in my opinion.
(blero, 15 February 2008 09:46)
Kosovo is Serbia and it is in UN.Kosovo the way Thachi want`s it can wish for moon and he won`t get it.
But we will grant in trip to Hague and i`ll personally pay for that trip.
Everything else is tripping talk.
(lids, 14 February 2008 21:53)
My rhetoric has largely remained the same. It's just that things are finally coming to a head, and things that are in motion cannot be undone but they could still cause large degrees of instability.
Nevertheless, if Kosovo gains a seat at the UN it will mean that either Russia or China did not veto its membership. Right now, that would mean a number of compromises are reached on the ground. But as it stands now, whether you, I, or anyone else likes it or not, Kosovo's presence at the UN is still largely limited.
Take Taiwan for instance. China will always block its membership. Russia says it will do the same for Kosovo. So again, Thaci can say what he wants, but reality is currently dictating otherwise.
(Mike, 15 February 2008 17:58)
Mike, peggy, just a short note.
Kosova/o willl be voted on General Assembly. Russia can NOT, I repeat can NOT stop it, since all the members of the general Assembly will vote on it.
China was inducted on UN by the sponsorship of Albania, by the way. Maybe its time to return the favor?!
Mike, sometimes if you are at the point further away from the problem its easier to see the problem and analyze it.
I'm sure, you, being in Belgrade right now are not being realistic.
Cheers.
(lazer, nyc, usa, 16 February 2008 01:10)
Ok pplz. I'd just like to let you all konw that you can't get a seat in the UN because of the Russian and Chinese veto. That means
1)You can't have your own flag (legally)
2)You can't have your own national anthem (legally)
3)And the land on which you are making your country will legally be a part of Serbia.
@Kim Sweden
There haven't been many attempts to take a country's territory by force since the UN was founded. And none have been recognized. The last time this happened was when Germany took a part of Chehoslovakia, and that set of WW2.
Signing off, Crveni Vuk
(Crveni Vuk, 15 February 2008 14:14)
Blero, Lazer and the rest who think that Kosovo has a chance of being accepted in the UN I say, have you forgotten about Russia?
Russia will block you every time.
Why get ahead of yourselves? You won't get that far anyway.
First you have to get independence (I mean real independence in the UN) and then you can think about joining the UN.
Since you have a snow flake's chance in hell of getting that independence through UN, you have as much chance of having a seat in the UN.
(peggy, 15 February 2008 14:24)
So Thaci wants UN membership but is planning on declaring an independent country outside the UN.
Here's how it works: you get your independence through the UN and you can pretty much guarantee a seat in the UN. If it's not through the UN, the only way Thaci can see the inside of the General Assembly is if he comes as a tourist.
I'm sure they give guided tours in Albanian.
(Mike, 14 February 2008 21:51)
"In 6-12 months, lets say september, Kosova as the newest STATE in the world will be offered a seat at the UN. It will be sponsored by GB or USA (your adopted country).
(lazer, nyc, usa, 15 February 2008 13:18)"
6 to 12 months???? ..... now that's really wishful thinking! Don't believe? Ask the Taiwanese - they waited 36 years ..... and are stil waiting .....
(lowe, 15 February 2008 14:24)
You cannot ignore the UN charter and international law at will, then expect to be part of that body.
Kosovo if it declares independence will be an illegal state, as any moves will be nullified by Serbia. It can be recognized 100 times by USA, it will NOT get a seat in the UN.
Serbia's borders are recognized by UN - including Kosovo, therefore Kosovo is part of Serbia, and cannot hold an independent seat within UN.
I know that the words resolution 1244, UN charter, international law..etc don't make any sense to you on their own.
Heres your chance to put them into perspective.
(BKK, 16 February 2008 20:24)
Perhaps we can offer Thaqi the Kingdom of Gondor as Maidens from Rohan ride to the rescue with UN Charter in Hand. May Gandalf bring you many blessings....
(Michael, 14 February 2008 23:10)