1. This plan of "supervised autonomy" is the best proposal so far from Serbia. Only by leaving Kosovo Albanians right to truly govern themselves within Serbia- can this be achieved. I think this plan is
    showing high realism and because of that it can really work - of course with help of international forces.
    (Branislav, 29 April 2007 11:47)
  2. Another proposal from the serbs... How many different proposals the serbs had so far? can anyone tell me please? The serbs just are out of reality and they do not know what to do but propose different proposals each time they meet the western diplomats.
    This shows in what kind of desperate situation the serbs are in. Just few weeks ago, at the UN SC Kostunica represented a different plan, now a different one, Sandra Raskovic ivic represented one few months ago of partitioning Kosovo.
    Even after the Kosova is a done deal and gets independence, it looks like the serbs still will be proposing proposals because the serbs are out of reality and they have lost the total control.
    I wonder about this : The serb delegation team has a good number of people and I cant believe that not even one of them is smart enough to realize that the Kosova deal is a done deal and there is no other solution but Independence.
    I really feel sorry that the serbs are being tricked by these kind of leaders who tent to lie in the middle of the day.
    Its sad that a Person like Kostunica is being able to trick the whole serb Nation.
    I hope that someone wakes up into reality.
    By the way, keep dreaming serbs, the more you live in the worl dof dreams and myths, the more it helps the albanians.
    Thanks
    (Afrim Hoxha, 29 April 2007 11:50)
  3. In the other hand Albanians in Kosovo have nothing with this project this is even worst than other one les than Independence more than Autonomy, this is supervised autonomy, and you should be sure that non of the Albanian politicians in Kosovo don’t have a mandate to sign something les than independence because more than 90 % of the Kosovo population don’t accept something les than independence.
    And we don’t have to worry about what Russia or Serbia is offering to us we have are own idea because one state does not make territory of the state but people who live in it and in Kosovo majority of the people are Albanians.
    About History Kosovo always have been separate territory from Serbia, even in Serbian medieval time Kosovo had own borders it was not Serbia.
    (toni, 29 April 2007 12:55)
  4. This plan (of supervised autonomy) of Kosovo & Metohia is the only realistic solution of the problem, because it is based upon a true and fare compromise, corresponding to the wishes of both parties to the talks - Belgrad & Pristina. I think that this plan should be sent not only to the UNMIK, but to the UN Security Council as well. Better late, than never.
    (Victor, 29 April 2007 13:17)
  5. "The plan envisages that Albanians have all legislative, executive and judicial jurisdiction, with the exception of the areas of foreign policy and defense, customs and border control, monetary policy and protection of Serbian cultural and religious heritage in the province"

    this in connection with the presence of international supervisors, should be enough to show how implausible those albanian phrases about "autonomy can be revoked again" really are.

    if they want to live in peace and prosperity, only autonomy can serve as a solution.

    if they do not want that, we can clearly identify who is responsible for further chaos and problems.
    (Jovan, 29 April 2007 15:08)
  6. The world stopped caring what Serbia has to say a looong time ago! Speak to Russia, they seem to be the only ones to give a damn as to what you have to say!
    (Sidi, 29 April 2007 15:42)
  7. Are we still in the 90s?
    (nikshala, 29 April 2007 15:47)
  8. Seems like this guy is having an extended winter sleep.

    In fact, I don't think this advisor is that stupid as not to see the looming decision on independence. He's just making it seem to the domestic public in Serbia that his country is proposing a legitimate proposal.

    In fact, Serbia never paid any attention to devise a meaningful counter-plan to Ahtissari, as they're plan from the beginning has been division, which is not publicly discussed.
    (C, 29 April 2007 16:02)
  9. No compromise i see how it is going to be everything or nothing. You are going end up without a pot to p in
    (JHam, 29 April 2007 16:28)
  10. the serb team seem to be talking to everyone but the one that matter.. KOSOVO ALBANIANS... correct me if im wrong guys 1244 that the serbs would like to honour, define kosovo according to the will of the people in kosovo. the kalb dont will it. pretty simple... there are certain steps the serbs must do, change constitution io include albanian as largest minority give them a vote make albanian second language of serbia autonomous again, allocated 25% seat within parliment, protective rights as indigenouse people of area...
    what else???
    (suny, 29 April 2007 16:31)
  11. I am appalled to ready a vile, and unreasonable, language coming from the Albanians on the Kosova side on this message board. I just have to assume, maybe that's why you are in 90% of the population, because no one wants to be around you.
    (Al, 29 April 2007 16:34)
  12. Have you heared guy the song "Dreams are my reality" and so on. Koshtunica is talking as nothing has happened in Kosova in the last let say 50 years. That "solution" is unworkable. Kosova had autonomous status in former Yugoslavia and the Serbian state took it away. When Kosovar Albanian and international community raised their voices about their rights the Serbian government reply was "it is an internal affair of Serbia" and unleashed her security forces and the army in the province. Now just a simple question to those who admire the Serbian policy on Kosova. Is Kosova an international issue? You have lost any moral and hystorical rights to claim Kosova. Your latest proposals are just a desperation to keep something that it is untenable. Kostunica is the worst credible political figure of Serbian ellite to ask for such "compromise". International community will decide for Kosova and everyone knows that is independence.
    (EA, 29 April 2007 16:44)
  13. I think it's fair to say that according to international law Serbia has the freehold rights to Kosovo. Living somewhere does not imply automtic ownership. The argument that there are 'more of us than there are of you' is also not grounds for ownership.
    I would urge the majority of Kosovo Albanians not to be greedy for independence because it amounts to breaking international laws and if you can do this to one nation then who's to say that in time they will not do the same to you. Kosovo's status could be no clearer than it is now, namely it is a integral part of Serbia.
    (Pera, 29 April 2007 16:46)
  14. supervised autonomy????Maybe that's too much, why don't you give us something less (sarcastic)...

    what ever Kostunica says it's water under the bridge...noone really cares...
    They perpose autonomy so maybe someone after Kostunica can strip us of autonomy again...
    Kosovo Albanians would rather die than be under serbian rule again...
    (Nik, 29 April 2007 17:03)
  15. Al,
    I am not an Albanian and I never met one but I have a deep sympathy for them for all the well-known hardship they went through.
    You write about the Albanians: "no one wants to be around you". If that is the case why those remaining Serbs are not leaving for Serbia? As far as I know nobody is holding them back. They can lieve Kosovo any time.
    (Joe, 29 April 2007 17:57)
  16. People,

    I am sure the Serbian leaders are dreaming...

    If you are not sure about that, just visit this link ** [link] ** what Assistant Secretary of State Dan Fried said this week.

    "Kosovo will be independet with or without UN SC Resolution".

    See you people, and I hope that sometime you will understand the real situation.

    Adi,
    (Adi, 29 April 2007 18:06)
  17. I really think this proposal is good for Albanians living in Presheva and Bujanovc and for Bosnians living in Sanxhak/ Novi Pazar and Hungarians living in Vojvodina province. Mr Koshtunica cares so much about human rights, let's deploy this plan to these regions. As far a Kosova is concerned, Mr. Koshtunica is way behind the reality, he is still living in Miloshevice’s and old antediluvian dreams. Kosova is flying with the speed of light towards EU membership. Kosova is already independent do not play with Kosovan Serb minority emotions, let them adapt to a new reality
    (Ylli, 29 April 2007 18:42)
  18. "About History Kosovo always have been separate territory from Serbia, even in Serbian medieval time Kosovo had own borders it was not Serbia."
    Toni, a few comments above.


    while one Albanian is talking about Serbs "living in a myth-world and dreaming"
    I think it was Afrim, or was it Sidi, ..anyway who really cares about that...

    well, guys, thank you very much for displaying your flawed version of "how the world works"

    Albanians are at least really good entertainers!
    (Jovan, 29 April 2007 19:22)
  19. These proposals from Serbia are about 17 years late, there is no realistic way that Kosova could be under any kind of Serbian adminstrative or legislative authority because 2 million Albanians simply don't accept that.

    They like it or not, Ahtisari plan will be endorsed in SC and Kosova will be independent country. Europe and the ultanatonalist Serbs have to eventually understand that these 2 million Albanians have a right to live, have a right to freedom and have a right for self-determination and nobody can stop it any more.

    And Serbs have to make a public and meaninful apology for the crimes they committed against the innocent population in Kosova.
    (Gezim, 29 April 2007 21:09)
  20. Albanians already had supervised autonomy during Yugoslavia until it was revoked away by Milosevic.

    Asking for supervised autonomy is asking for war. The status will be decided according to the will of the majority of people in Kosovo.
    (Albo, 29 April 2007 22:20)
  21. Suny, here is a reminder of what 1244 says about the any future solution:

    "A political process towards the establishment of an interim political framework agreement providing for a substantial self-government for Kosovo, taking full account of the Rambouillet accords and the *principles of sovereignty and territorial integrity of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia* and the other countries of the region, and the demilitarization of the KLA"
    (Philip Davies, 29 April 2007 23:23)
  22. If 'Supervised Independence' is against international order, as Kostunica says, by that reasoning 'Supervised Autonomy' is also against international. Namely, both interfere in Serbia's internal affairs and violate its sovereignty. Who is to stop those in Government after Kostunica and Tadic (say, Nikolic) saying that the 'supervised autonomy' is off and then there goes 'deja vu' all over again
    (JOHN, 30 April 2007 00:22)
  23. Kostunica, Thanks, but No thanks!

    So from More than Autonomy we are downgrading to Supervised Autonomy?! Wow, the Albanians are really gonna love this. You don't let them vote on a Constitution which defines Kosovo as part of Serbia (sic) but you will give them 'the right to rule themselvs'. You are so generous!
    (sebastian, 30 April 2007 01:16)
  24. Kostunica's offer of supervised autonomy for Kosovo is a good and fair plan and should be accepted by all sides.
    This approach will stop violence and war, and diplomats and international community including media should embrace it.
    World christian community should embrace it for protecting christian holy sites.
    Ethnic Albanians in Kosovo govern themselves.
    (S. Harris, 30 April 2007 04:55)
  25. This is a mickey mouse proposal. Serbia says that Kosovo can control everything but not be independent. But isnt that what independence is? My question is what is then serbia then holding onto? What is there to hold onto? serbia's worry about feeling of humiliation is poor excuse to prevent 2million people that it commited crimes against from being independent. Perhaps serbs can tell me what benefit will be to serbia for it to keep Kosovo? As for precedent, East Timor was never a precedent and Indonesia is alot more of a powerful country than Serbia.
    (Daniel, 30 April 2007 06:37)
  26. Another attempt at humor comming from the joker of Belgrade. It's like one of those cheap chinese imitations of western goods ... who wants to buy a pair of Nikee shoes? So, the guy that was offering 'more than autonomy', scratched his head and said: 'ah, what the hell, I'll do you a favor, I'll give you supervised autonomy'. With favors like this, the next thing comming will probably be 'supervised slavery'.
    (Adrian Gashi, 30 April 2007 07:50)
  27. Forget Kosovo, but wise proposal for Vojvodina,
    Sandak and Presevo Valley. These three regions have also right for selfdetermination.
    Justification:
    Vojvodina was anexed by Serbs on 1918.
    Sandak and Presevo valley on 1913.
    (Valdet, Vushtrri, 30 April 2007 08:56)
  28. Please don't get to the issue of who wants to stay with whom.

    Remember Yugoslavia? It was a big state, wasn't it? And what happened to that? Nobody wanted to stay WITH serbs. All others got the independence and moved on. But Serbia seems not to understand the fact none of ex-yugoslavs wants to stay with them. Come on... Even Montenegro left you :D.
    What do you expect from %90 of albanians? To live with you, after all the crimes, and slaughter. get real people, please! It's a simple as that. Just accept that no one actually wants to stay bonded with you anymore. (Still, nice to see all that optimism in your writings, they make my day)
    (GNH, 30 April 2007 09:28)
  29. EA - How do you lose your "historical right"? You lost the right to autonomy when the KLA started it's terrorist activities. THIS is what started the war in Kosovo, NOT the Serbian army launching an unprovoked attack against defenceless albanians.
    (PB, 30 April 2007 12:10)
  30. If we think deeper it isn’t that worst proposal for Albanians. Since, calculating demographical (high rate of Albanian natality) movements it is very likely to believe Mr. Kostunica’s reaction in twenty-thirty years from now: “Emergency, emergency; we are overflowed by Albanians in Serbia”, while, yelling towards relevant global factors urging them to protecting Serbian minority in Serbia from majority Albanians.
    So that, I think that Mr. Kostunica works entirely for Albanian interests. However, we are just not ready at this point to accept that.
    (bartan, 30 April 2007 13:07)
  31. This is most weird proposal that some politician could say. Wake up Kostunica it is 21 century and your nation is starving. Empty (shallow) proposals, could not be accepted even by the children in the kindergarten. You’ve tried to cause turmoil in Kosovo through harassment of the Serbian inhabitants there.
    Don’t harass Serbs of Kosovo, let them live in the decent way as they’ve always deserved together with their Albanian neighbors.
    (Chris Dexter, 30 April 2007 14:34)
  32. Interesting…
    And, will anybody believe this “offer”?!!!
    I mean, at this stage "supervised autonomy" will be offered and in case it works than few years later, once international community has gone away, once Serbian Government manages to have “selected” personnel within Kosovo crucial institutions they will than have a session in Belgrade (Serbian parliament) and they will decide to “temporarily” eliminate such a framework, such a status and they will impose “temporary situation” (privremene mere) and this will result with elimination of everything that Kosovo was given during these consultations (same as it happened 1989 – 1990)…
    Who would bye this kind of cheap tricky offer?!!!
    Albanians from “Kosovo and Metohija”?
    “Terrorists” from above mentioned Serbian Province?!!!
    In all speeches you can hear everything apart from our citizens (aiming Albanians), good people of Kosovo(again aiming Albanians)…
    If this is not mentioned (specially at this stage) how could any Albanian, living in Kosovo, consider him self as a well treated and respected by Serbian politicians?
    And yes, if Albanians living in Kosovo were treated as citizens of Serbia what happened when new constitutional framework was to be elected / voted by all citizens?!!!
    Why Albanians were not mentioned in their voter lists?!!!
    Because they were not considered as citizens with right to vote but once again (same as in time of Milosevic) they were ignored…
    And now we should believe and trust the offer would work?!!!
    NO… I don’t think so…
    Independence is the only way and so far I don’t think anything else will be considered…
    Serbia,
    See you in Europe…
    Serbs living in Serbia, do something and elect a government which really cares about citizens…
    Kosovo, good luck with new status, use it on the best possible way and rights that were not respected to you do not deny to the others. Make sure everybody is equal, free and happy… You deserve it… People of Kosova/o deserves it…
    (Gjilani, 30 April 2007 14:57)
  33. For Ylli, author of "Kosova is flying with the speed of light towards EU membership"...

    My dear, I understand the excitment K/Albanians are living with these last days, but please keep your head clear: Kosovo will be in EU when EU will consider, not when Kosovo wants! As a citizen of a contry which just entered EU (Romania) I have to tell you that this will be a much more dificult task for K/Albanian leaders than the game of confuse&convince they implemented for the sake of UN Mission. For the moment, you should wait for EU to see if the member states will be able to agree on Kosovo final status. After this political issue is solved, the economical one will be analysed... And years will pass, inspections will come, assessments will be made, projects implemented, and so on (for sure, some money will be spend, but not as many you may think). Of course, in case of Kosovo there are different problems than for us or Bulgaria to be fixed (for example, to get rid of the organized crime, like those RPG attacks recently on Telecomunications Regulatory Agency Head, Anton Berisha, in connection with a tender for a new mobile phone license... this information is for mostly for Albanians living abroad, maybe you had no time to see it, being so interested to read statements of foreign diplomats endorsing Ahtisaari plan :).
    And bear in mind that Bulgaria, a country with 11 million citizens, was very close to be postponed from EU accession following some Mafia-style shootings and killings in downtown Sofia, last year...
    And you think EU will let you in just because you say so? :)))) I am really amazed how business-oriented people like Albanians are not grasping the reality about EU - that accession is all about what you can offer to EU, not the other way around. And what Kosovo has to offer? I look over my window and I don't see much... Oh, yes, I forgot, a lot of kids, but EU is no kindergaten...

    But you, Kosovo Albanians, indeed are a young people (and probably a very young country soon), don't worry, you will learn how things are in the big world, especially after Kosovo will fade out from the intl. public opinion agenda, as it happened with other conflicts, places etc., and you'll have to work since nobody will assist you anymore (or maybe US will pay the bill, who knows, but I really doubt they will put out a trick like the aerial bridge for Belin in 50s when the Kosovo economy will collapse).
    See you (if ever) in EU!
    (George, 30 April 2007 18:14)
  34. sebastian:

    you wrote "You don't let them vote on a Constitution which defines Kosovo as part of Serbia ",
    those Albanians who live outside KiM had all the rights to vote, the K-albanians are right now just out of serbian jurisdiction, that´s all.
    there is no " not letting them vote", you either don´t know what you are talking about, or you are just maliciously writing something that is not true.

    to those Albanians who STILL write about "we cannot trust the Serbs etc. " this is no argument, boys. if you don´t understand the term "supervised"...check it. that means, you will live within Serbia with maximum autonomy possible, supervised by the UNSC itself. if you don´t respect even that, then you don´t deserve anything!
    (Jovan, 2 May 2007 09:36)