US Senate backs Montenegrin NATO bid; will Trump sign it?
The US Senate has ratified a protocol on the accession of Montenegro to NATO.
Source: Tanjug
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Will Trump sign off on Montenegro or not, that is the question? Well first you have to ask who is going to finance this expansion. I know that for some of our Albanian followers this is not only a boring but arduous question (I know I keep asking this silly question of who pays all the time), especially for our resident witless wonder, icj1, who believes that money truly does grow on trees and you can turn lead into gold.
It certainly is not the US. For those that doubt this I’ll tell them the latest. Despite Trump beating his chest about China and how his fleet will sail the international waters, it’s not happening. Especially after Tillerson did a lot of arse kissing in Bejing.
Not sure if everyone recalls the brave 2,500 US marines that were to be stationed in Darwin, Australia, well the latest is that it’s not happening so a mere 1,250 will be there. Now the big question is why? Well it seems Washington has money problems.
(, 29 March 2017 11:48) -
He will sign 100%, all the Russia mumble is for GOP to keep control of idiot monster.
SJ,
As per who will pay its all about geography this one, Montenegro is providing last nail in Adriatic so there will be no Russian fleet based there. Geopolitics at its best, it provides Montenegro nothing but the politicians there cart blanch to stay in power.
Europe with Montenegro in has its corners set now who is left is Serbia, Bosnia Macedonia and Kosovo - but as they are center territory nothing can get there through NATO airspace.
By the way Russias economy is in much worst place than USA - not that it makes a difference just I see you are obsessed with US failing, even as #2 US will be a power in global economy at least for our life times
(, 29 March 2017 13:11) -
Well first you have to ask who is going to finance this expansion.
(sj, 29 March 2017 11:48)
NATO is so lucky that the CE of B92 forums sj can't sleep at night because of his/her preoccupation with NATO's finances. Luckily enough, no money is required to finance this expansion (expect, of course, the money required for the paperwork).
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I know I keep asking this silly question of who pays all the time
(sj, 29 March 2017 11:48)
That's good. That's why these forums are so lucky to have somebody like the CE of B92 forums sj who asks such brilliant and profound questions for the mankind.
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icj1, who believes that money truly does grow on trees and you can turn lead into gold.
(sj, 29 March 2017 11:48)
The only person here who continuously mentions the money growing on trees is the CE of B92 forums sj. I guess, given his/her brilliance, the CE of B92 forums sj may actually succeed with such innovative approaches for creating money.
P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(, 29 March 2017 13:39) -
Especially after Tillerson did a lot of arse kissing in Bejing.
(sj, 29 March 2017 11:48)
Let's thank the CE of B92 forums sj for sharing with us his/her experience closely observing the arse above and those kissing it. The experience of the CE of B92 forums sj with famous arses, be that Vlad's arse or some other arses, is truly unparalleled.
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Not sure if everyone recalls the brave 2,500 US marines that were to be stationed in Darwin, Australia, well the latest is that it’s not happening so a mere 1,250 will be there. Now the big question is why? Well it seems Washington has money problems.
(sj, 29 March 2017 11:48)
Of course! The CE of B92 forums sj has ruled long ago that the US has collapsed and run out of cash. You need to get better acquainted with the teachings of the CE of B92 forums sj, so you don't have to ask stupid question that he/she has already answered.
P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(, 29 March 2017 13:40) -
Of course he will sign, not doing so would be treason.
Campaign talk is one thing, but now that he's in power, he know that he can't force his NATO allies to do his bidding and plague NATO with internal struggles while the empire (because of which NATO was created in the first place) is still alive, breathing and spreading terror.
(, 29 March 2017 13:59) -
The noose is very snug now!
The fatal fall should commence soon now!!!
(, 29 March 2017 15:35) -
I have no idea, what USA or Trump will do! But, i wonder how blind Serb are to not seeing that Montenegrins are trying to escape from you, and Russia.
Do not you realize that are in bad relations even with Montenegrins?
Montenegrins have seen what Serb are able to do. They think them were lucky to not finish like Bosnia, Croatia, Kosovo
They know what Serbia is able to do for having their ports.
Being with Serbia will be their eternal slavery.
Montenegrins will do everything for not being with Serbia. Serbia is the threat of their freedom. Montenegro must finish like Kosovo if they permit Serbs to enter in. Serbs are ready to kill their own children for their interest. That’s all!
(, 29 March 2017 16:21) -
The people of Montenegro do not want to join NATO. This fact is why the same regime that has ran the country since the communist days will not allow a referendum. Not like they wouldn't fake those results like they have done in every other expression of democracy. But Montenegro has such a small population, between Milo and his inner circle, plus all those in the public sector that have to vote for him to keep their jobs and those the regime just outright pays 500 Euros to vote is enough to suppress any popular democratic will.
The Montenegrin government did not even allow ordinary people to lay wreaths to commemorate NATO aggression this past week. It is a totalitarian state, but if you do nothing else except oppose Russia, you are given legitimacy by the same people preaching "democracy".
(, 29 March 2017 17:07) -
The problem here is politics and how we perceive making politics. Now Rote has many times put here links on how in Russia there is a public debate on any major choice made by the government, Syria and not Syria. I mean politics as a means to change citizens lives in the best way possible, not politics on how many tenders I will give to the businessmen who are loyal to the power games or to Rama's second wife. What I see is that in the west they dont have such a healthy debate in their media. They hail China now but only an idiot doesnt know that the chinese economic miracle is exclusively based on outsourcing. You put 50 tiny chinese to work for 10$ a month for a european or us company and thats it, your market is overwhelmed with chinese products.
(, 29 March 2017 17:47) -
Is the same story with the call centers in albania. We put thousands of young people with degrees to work on the phone and become deaf soon and thats the only employment successful story we have. Now that call centers are leaving we all cry about 30000 lost jobs but did we ever had a healthy debate if this is the development model we want ? we never had that and it looks like there's no such debate in the west. Drug and contrabands stories in montenegro for example or the creation of an independent state of kurdistan. is the western public informed on their governments choices and if not does that mean that politics has died in these countries and is solely focused on anti russia propaganda? these are very important questions and i dont expect any good replies unfortunately.
(, 29 March 2017 17:55) -
It's the first time that I examined the Montenegrin flag. Fantastic because it's almost a copy of the Rus flag of Ivan III Vasiljevic Grozny ! It was the peak of the Great Horde when no one dared to bark in Europe or any other colony. The only difference of the Montenegrin flag is the lion in the middle. And though the lion was one of the several symbols of the Great (Roman, Mongol) Horde the heart of the coat of arms was St. Georgy Danilovic aka St.George killing a dragon (not snake!) with a spear. One can see it as the coat of arms of Moscow now. Everything else was same as on the Montenegrin flag.
Initially the two headed eagle was coat of arms of the Komnenos Dynasty to which Jesus Christ (Andronikos I Komnenos) belonged. But since late 15th century it became symbol of the Great Horde after Ivan Grozny married Greek Sophia Paleolog. The two heads symbolized two capitols of the Great Horde - Veliki Novgorod (the main) and Stan Bulgar aka Tsar Grad. The crown above shows that the central power was one coz both capitols were ruled by the same Rjurikovici. The eagle keeps in it claws two main symbols of the state power of the Horde. The ball (Derzava) symbolizes the globe and the stick (Skipetr) taking roots from the Byzantine. All Tsars kept them in their hands when the took oath and now both are in Oruzeinaja Palata of Moscow Kremlin.
(, 29 March 2017 18:24) -
Serbs are ready to kill their own children for their interest. That’s all!
Joni
sicko comment.with your lousy english you talk hate man.a lot of trash that's all!
(, 29 March 2017 20:21) -
After macedonia, montenegro is the next biggest joke country in the Balkans. 600,000 population living on Albanian lands. When I visited Oso Kuka's fortress in vranjina one summer, a local montenegrin "serb" straight up told me "our ancestors even 2 generations ago spoke Albanian and dressed in Albanian costumes, from Niksic and on eastward the more and more of a presense of montenegrins who once were Albanians"
After the League of Prizren in 1878 the montenegrins became russia's little b..ch after they kept getting they're asses handed to them by Albanians. (battle of Rzanica 1878) (battle of Novsice 1879)
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(cuarteador, 29 March 2017 13:11)
Total US debt (government, private and business) is $67 trillion. The Feds owe $20 trillion while State and local Governments owe $3 trillion.
The size of the US economy is about $17.5 trillion, but it’s not due to increased productivity, as it’s inflated for several reasons, and one major reason is quantitative easing measures. Since the GFC 2008, the US has printed about $12 trillion.
Thus the overall percentage of US debt to GDP is 400%. Note debt to GDP is 400%.
The actual percentage of Government debt to GDP now is 121%, but most do not take into account intergovernmental debt of $5.5 trillion, which is a debt that attracts interest and has to be repaid, and thus claim its only 100% of government to GDP. Some prominent economists claim that these figures are conservative and believe it’s as high as 135%, depending what other government debt is taken into account.
The US has unfunded liabilities anywhere between $100 trillion and $250 trillion.
102 million live on or below the poverty line. 95 million are no longer in the labour force.
About 47% of all working adults in the US hold down fulltime jobs while 53% hold down part time jobs. All new jobs that you hear created are low paid work at $7.80 to $8.00 per hour.
Based on government criteria actual unemployment is 15 million, but Government only claims 7.5 million. Real unemployment ranges from 24% to 32%.
Now you work out how healthy the US is in 2017.
(, 29 March 2017 23:21) -
(cuarteador, 29 March 2017 13:11)
Now who is paying is the question since “geography” does not have money and cannot pay? With Albanians its always a social security mentality, the government has money. No one ever asks who will pay or where is the money coming from?
On Montenegro’s politicians staying in power, they can be removed within days. Why do you think Duknaovic is so quiet LOL.
Russia does not have to have a fleet in the Adriatic mate. In fact they are doing nicely without one now. It has a huge naval base in Tartus Syria and the Mediterranean sea is not that big so Russian ships can get to any part quickly.
Note that Romania has changed government that is more favourable to Russia and Bulgaria is also leaning to Russia even with the the old government in power and lets not forget to mention Hungary too. You need to keep up with the times mate.
I can also claim that you guys are obsessed with the Russians economy failing when it’s not. The problem is with this social security mentality of this never ending pot of money.
Read my comments on how well the US is going on the economic front. Check it out. All the facts I have quoted are true. One more thing has the US told its people the China is the No. 1 world economy? No.
(, 29 March 2017 23:39) -
(icj1, 29 March 2017 13:39)
Lets remove some of my comments and see what our resident idiot has to say:
NATO is so lucky that the CE of B92 forums sj can't sleep at night because of his/her preoccupation with NATO's finances. Luckily enough, no money is required to finance this expansion (expect, of course, the money required for the paperwork). That's good. That's why these forums are so lucky to have somebody like the CE of B92 forums sj who asks such brilliant and profound questions for the mankind.
The only person here who continuously mentions the money growing on trees is the CE of B92 forums sj. I guess, given his/her brilliance, the CE of B92 forums sj may actually succeed with such innovative approaches for creating money.
All incoherent rubbish.
(, 29 March 2017 23:45) -
Thats interesting Kapella! So the two heads of the eagle dont represent Costantinople and Rome as the eastern and western parts of the roman empire? This is a major blow to the tales our historians told us! As for montenegro why dont they make a referendum on this issue? It looks like Nato is there to handle and earn money from drugs routes everywhere in afganistan in albania and montenegro.
(, 30 March 2017 00:34) -
Will Trump sign it?
The answer is very simple: YES.
(, 30 March 2017 02:47) -
** To those who believe their lives will get better by a greater NATO presence in the region **
Serbs are Serbs and they will never change.
It doesn't matter how many empires or alliances attempt it, nor how many shrill voices "get off" on it below.
Serbs will always be contrary and they will always follow the "beat of their own drummer." It's their nature -- and they "get off" on it. They will never follow "herd" thinking.
It was always like this and nothing's going to change it. They have a track record in this regard.
They will never recognize Kosovo nor will they forget. Make of this what you will.
You won't ever control them. And you you won't ever do anything to them that hasn't already been done to them.
Because they live on a strategic and economically important corridor there is little anyone can really do about it because they are necessary. Witness the past 25 years.
Your last best chance was the 1999 bombings and it was notable just how poorly a 19 member alliance performed against this small nation committed to standing up for itself.
Get over it. Nothing's gonna change.
(, 30 March 2017 03:13) -
Trump is in high pressure, and Putin is closely watching. These has never been a better reason to expand Nato. America the brave.
(, 30 March 2017 04:18) -
Lets remove some of my comments
(sj, 29 March 2017 23:45)
Why would you remove some of the comments of the CE of B92 forums sj?!
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All incoherent rubbish
(sj, 29 March 2017 23:45)
How can the teachings of the CE of B92 forums sj be incoherent rubish when, according to the CE of B92 forums sj, even icj has declared sj to be brilliant. No other human being has ever been declared brilliant by a judicial opinion :)
P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(, 30 March 2017 20:10)